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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    Yes I could cross the street and get hit by a car that dose not mean its ok to dance on a rode with on coming traffic.

    We do have laws to keep us safe and when those laws are removed people star getting hart.
    The purpose of the government isn't to keep us "safe", it's to guarantee and proliferate the innate and inalienable rights of the individual. Law isn't good just by virtue of existence.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The purpose of the government isn't to keep us "safe", it's to guarantee and proliferate the innate and inalienable rights of the individual. Law isn't good just by virtue of existence.
    And the reason why we do that is to protect the citizens of a country or community.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    And the reason why we do that is to protect the citizens of a country or community.
    You have it backwards.
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    And the reason why we do that is to protect the citizens of a country or community.
    The reason we do that is to advance freedom and liberty. While there are some things which can be done to help keep people safer, that cannot come at the cost of rights. That's against the cause of freedom and liberty.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Well this government is run by the people for the people.

    And all the people I know personally wont a government that keeps us safe. Why have a government such as we have if not to keep us safe why not have a dictator how can do that much better.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    We have laws to control us, and our behavior.


    Not to keep us safe.

    Then we have laws that only exist to generate revenue... but that's another conversation entirely.


    And if you'd like to go dance in the road / play in traffic.. who am I to stop you?
    Last edited by ewm90; 09-30-09 at 01:23 PM.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The reason we do that is to advance freedom and liberty. While there are some things which can be done to help keep people safer, that cannot come at the cost of rights. That's against the cause of freedom and liberty.
    Yes and why do we do this... To help other people, to keep them safe.

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    Well this government is run by the people for the people.

    And all the people I know personally wont a government that keeps us safe. Why have a government such as we have if not to keep us safe why not have a dictator how can do that butch better.
    There is no better way to ensure a dictator than to go along the "safe" route.

    This Republic created by the founders is based on the rights and liberties of the individual. While of the people, for the people, by the people; the government is still forbidden from doing certain things; such as infringing upon the rights of the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    Yes and why do we do this... To help other people, to keep them safe.
    No, it's to proliferate freedom. Free isn't safe. Free has never been safe, free will never be safe. That's the end all be all. Free is inherently dangerous. So obviously we aren't doing this to "keep them safe", but rather we do this to keep them free.

    You want safe, move to China. You're nice and safe so long as you don't speak out against the government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The purpose of the government isn't to keep us "safe", it's to guarantee and proliferate the innate and inalienable rights of the individual. Law isn't good just by virtue of existence.
    The purpose of government is though...to maintain the defense of this nation. Correct?
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    Re: Guns allowed in Arizona bars starting Wednesday

    Quote Originally Posted by ewm90 View Post
    Yes and why do we do this... To help other people, to keep them safe.
    Government exists to protect your rights from those that would impose upon them. In a free society, in pursuit of this, government cannot act until someone actually imposes on those rights.

    Do you want to live in a free society, or a police state?

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