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    Senate Panel Rejects Govt-Run Insurance Option

    From AP, via Seattle's Post Intelligencer, 6:26 pm EST.

    Senate panel rejects gov't-run insurance option

    In a long-anticipated showdown, liberal Democrats twice failed on Tuesday to inject a government-run insurance option into sweeping health care legislation taking shape in the Senate, despite bipartisan agreement that private insurers must change their ways.

    The two votes marked a victory for Montana Democrat Max Baucus, the Senate Finance Committee chairman, who is hoping to push his middle-of-the-road measure through the panel by week's end. It also kept alive the possibility that at least one Republican may yet swing behind the overhaul, a key goal of both Baucus and the White House.
    1. Senate Finance (Baucus) this afternoon voted DOWN a pair of amendments by Jay Rockefeller and Chuck Schumer to include a PUBLIC OPTION in the latest and most viable Obamcare bill remaining under consideration.

    2. On Rockefeller, Senators Baucus, Lincoln, Conrad, Carper and Florida's Nelson voted with a solid GOP (including Ms Snowe) to PUT DOWN the PO, 15 to 8.

    3. The hangup appears to be senatorial concerns that a robust PO will ultimately eliminate, not enhance, private competition.

    4. The PO now shows NO vital signs.

    5. Ms Pelosi said today, "we are in no rush" to pass a piece.

    6. Moreover both bills, HR3200 in the House and Baucus-Obama in the Senate, appear statically, obstinately STUCK with those malodorous mandates---folks caught BREATHING WITHOUT INSURANCE will be forced to fend for themselves, at a cap of 13% of their individual incomes.

    7. If they don't, they are afflicted with hefty fines and even imprisonment.

    Ensign receives handwritten confirmation - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

    8. Indeed, those miserable mandates make up the main parts of both Baucus and 3200.

    9. They're how most of the revenues required to underwrite reform are raised.

    10. Ie, prodigious political problems are posed to the party in power.

    11. The shifting of Medicaid expenses on to the states, described by Tennessee's democrat governor Bredesen as "the mother of unfunded mandates," is another onerous obstacle embraced by both measures, ask Feinstein and Reid.

    WBIR.com | Knoxville, TN | Tennessee Gov. Bredesen takes lead role in fight over health costs

    Harry Reid: Health care bill won't work for Nevada - Wednesday, Sept. 16, 2009 | 10:36 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun

    Feinstein skeptical about health care costs

    12. Indeed Kent Conrad, key committee-man, argued today that pushing costs upon North Dakota will force his state to "close hospitals."

    13. Mostly, however, today's defeat of Rockefeller and Schumer in Finance signifies how FAR APART are the House and the Senate when it comes to health care.

    14. Huge happenings and harshly harmful for Obama, his party, liberals and honest advocates of reform.

    15. Obamacare's problems appear insuperable.


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    Re: Senate Panel Rejects Govt-Run Insurance Option

    blogs are blogs, ap/spi are msm

    which is where this gigantic story belongs

    and a meager mind self-defined is inclined how?

    the public option died an ugly death today

    5 of 13 cmte dems sided with grassley

    the senate and house could not be farther apart

    and both bills are stuck with unmanageable mandates, both on individuals and on states

    substance

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    Re: Senate Panel Rejects Govt-Run Insurance Option

    some more substance:

    the drastic defeat of rockefeller and schumer just a few hours ago also signifies the empowerment of public option opponents in pelosi' place---dogs, freshmen, moderates, conservatives, grownups...

    all at the expense, ie, weakening, of the po's proponents in lower parliament---progressives, pelosi, the party, its leadership, the hotheads...

    it is what it is

    hr3200 is in prodigious peril

    think for yourself

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    Re: Senate Panel Rejects Govt-Run Insurance Option

    Turns out there is a God and it's not the false Messiah Obama.

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    I think the Dems, faced with public scorn for their schemes are about to go cannibal.
    Quod scripsi, scripsi

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    Re: Senate Panel Rejects Govt-Run Insurance Option

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    From AP, via Seattle's Post Intelligencer, 6:26 pm EST.

    Senate panel rejects gov't-run insurance option



    1. Senate Finance (Baucus) this afternoon voted DOWN a pair of amendments by Jay Rockefeller and Chuck Schumer to include a PUBLIC OPTION in the latest and most viable Obamcare bill remaining under consideration.

    2. On Rockefeller, Senators Baucus, Lincoln, Conrad, Carper and Florida's Nelson voted with a solid GOP (including Ms Snowe) to PUT DOWN the PO, 15 to 8.

    3. The hangup appears to be senatorial concerns that a robust PO will ultimately eliminate, not enhance, private competition.

    4. The PO now shows NO vital signs.

    5. Ms Pelosi said today, "we are in no rush" to pass a piece.

    6. Moreover both bills, HR3200 in the House and Baucus-Obama in the Senate, appear statically, obstinately STUCK with those malodorous mandates---folks caught BREATHING WITHOUT INSURANCE will be forced to fend for themselves, at a cap of 13% of their individual incomes.

    7. If they don't, they are afflicted with hefty fines and even imprisonment.

    Ensign receives handwritten confirmation - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

    8. Indeed, those miserable mandates make up the main parts of both Baucus and 3200.

    9. They're how most of the revenues required to underwrite reform are raised.

    10. Ie, prodigious political problems are posed to the party in power.

    11. The shifting of Medicaid expenses on to the states, described by Tennessee's democrat governor Bredesen as "the mother of unfunded mandates," is another onerous obstacle embraced by both measures, ask Feinstein and Reid.

    WBIR.com | Knoxville, TN | Tennessee Gov. Bredesen takes lead role in fight over health costs

    Harry Reid: Health care bill won't work for Nevada - Wednesday, Sept. 16, 2009 | 10:36 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun

    Feinstein skeptical about health care costs

    12. Indeed Kent Conrad, key committee-man, argued today that pushing costs upon North Dakota will force his state to "close hospitals."

    13. Mostly, however, today's defeat of Rockefeller and Schumer in Finance signifies how FAR APART are the House and the Senate when it comes to health care.

    14. Huge happenings and harshly harmful for Obama, his party, liberals and honest advocates of reform.

    15. Obamacare's problems appear insuperable.


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    i seriously can't understand why we would just hand the insurance companies billions of dollars. oh wait, yes i can, it's just what happened with the prescription drug benefit.

    without a public option, the INSURANCE companies benefit far more than the public. of course, that's why the bill was killed.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Senate Panel Rejects Govt-Run Insurance Option

    either way, it lost

    baucus, conrad, lincoln, carper, nelson, nelson, difi, landrieu, lieberman, dorgan, bayh, mccaskill, reid, feingold, tester, dogs, gubs, freshmen and others are far less fearful of insurance companies than they are of the VOTERS

    and the cbo

    how do you think the senate is going to resolve these messy mandates, do you think they're going to have the guts to foist off on individuals this conscription to buy for themselves that which they can't afford in the first place, up to 13% of their incomes, with a pittance of help for those who can demonstrate they're low earners?

    they won't, you'll see

    sorry

    and then there's the states...

    are you gonna try to blame all that on aetna, too?

    in my opinion, you need to observe more and think less

    cuz it's all right in front of you

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