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N.Y. Health Care Workers Revolt Over H1N1 Vaccine

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Saying They Should Be Given A Choice, Employees Rally In Albany, Around State, Chant "No Forced Shots!"
Protesters Hold Signs That Read: "The State Doesn't Own My Body'" Reporting
Jennifer McLogan STONY BROOK, N.Y. (CBS)

They're upset over an ultimatum from the health department.
Workers are being told to either get the swine flu vaccine or lose their jobs.
New York is the first state in the country to mandate flu vaccinations for its health care workers. The first doses of swine flu vaccine will be available beginning next week. Much of it is reserved for state health care workers, but there is growing opposition to required innoculations.
Health care workers in Hauppauge screamed "No forced shots!" as they rallied Tuesday against the state regulation requiring them to roll up their sleeves.
"I don't even tend to the sick. I am in the nutrition field. They are telling me I must get the shot because I work in a health clinic setting," said Paula Small, a Women, Infants and Children health care worker.
Small said she will refuse, worried the vaccine is untested and unproven, leaving her vulnerable. In 1976, there were some deaths associated with a swine flu vaccination.
Registered nurse Frank Mannino, 50, was also angry. He said the state regulation violates his personal freedom and civil rights.
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I say hell yeah!!!! Go for them!
 
I am all for employment standards, but would agree, this is over the top.

This would probably be better received if they made it seem like a privilege. Also, do it when employees are at work, as part of a paid break. Incentive works much better than a heavy hand.
 
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I say hell yeah!!!! Go for them!
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Ya, if they're actually requiring nutritionists and others who don't tend to the sick to get the vaccine, that's pretty ****ing retarded.

However, I don't have any problem with the state forcing medical personnel who ARE around sick people to get the vaccine. It's a public health hazard for them NOT to get it.
 
How illegal is it to force people to take these vaccines? It's purdy illegal, but I don't know how illegal. Anyone wanna tell us how illegal this is?
 
This is crossing the line. I can just feel the industry standard being pushed into government on this one. Say hello to the fear mongering flu establishment. There is a slippery slope indeed.
 
I happen to remember 1976 and the fear tactics they used to get us to take Swine flu shots that ended up killing 30 people that we know of for sure and who knows how many others were not counted. There were over 500 people who had negative reactions from mild to extremely severe and again those were the ones reported and there had to be 10 times this many who just suffered at home until they recovered. Dr. Leonard Horowitz says this vaccine is dangerous scam. Natural Health News: Dangerous, Deadly H1N1 Vaccine Scam
Check it out and then read what [lans are ready to be put in place.

The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act: An Assault on Civil Liberties
The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act: An Assault on Civil Liberties in the Name of Homeland Security

A THREAT TO FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS

Under the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, upon the declaration of a "public health emergency," governors and public health officials would be empowered to:

1. Force individuals suspected of harboring an "infectious disease" to undergo medical examinations.
2. Track and share an individual's personal health information, including genetic information.
3. Force persons to be vaccinated, treated, or quarantined for infectious diseases.
4. Mandate that all health care providers report all cases of persons who harbor any illness or health condition that may be caused by an epidemic or an infectious agent and might pose a "substantial risk" to a "significant number of people or cause a long-term disability." (Note: Neither "substantial risk" nor "significant number" are defined in the draft.)
5. Force pharmacists to report any unusual or any increased prescription rates that may be caused by epidemic diseases.
6. Preempt existing state laws, rules and regulations, including those relating to privacy, medical licensure, and--this is key--property rights.
7. Control public and private property during a public health emergency, including pharmaceutical manufacturing plants, nursing homes, other health care facilities, and communications devices.
8. Mobilize all or any part of the "organized militia into service to the state to help enforce the state's orders."
9. Ration firearms, explosives, food, fuel and alcoholic beverages, among other commodities.
10. Impose fines and penalties to enforce their orders.

As you can imagine, citizens across the country--at least the ones who were informed about it--were quite concerned about this model legislation. The American Legislative Exchange Council and other groups immediately began tracking the issue and reporting on how such legislation could affect citizens' individual freedoms and property rights. As Time magazine recently reported, gun activists were some of the strongest and most influential opponents.
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I wish you well. Get informed before you allow anyone to make up your mind for you.
 
People need to be responsible for their own healthcare choices. If someone feels the swine flu vaccine is a necessity for themselves and their family, then does it make sense for them to mandate someone else to get the vaccine, or would it be more logical for them to get the vaccine for themselves?

Healthcare workers have a right to make their own healthcare decisions based on their personal health philosophy. Patients need to take more responsibility for their own health, something sorely lacking in healthcare today.

And politicians should quit trying to score cheap political points at the expense of the rights of healthcare workers.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
People need to be responsible for their own healthcare choices. If someone feels the swine flu vaccine is a necessity for themselves and their family, then does it make sense for them to mandate someone else to get the vaccine, or would it be more logical for them to get the vaccine for themselves?

Healthcare workers have a right to make their own healthcare decisions based on their personal health philosophy. Patients need to take more responsibility for their own health, something sorely lacking in healthcare today.

And politicians should quit trying to score cheap political points at the expense of the rights of healthcare workers.
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The only problem with that is that if health care workers are constantly exposed to sick people, they most likely will contract swine flu if they aren't vaccinated. And when they do, they're very likely to pass it along to other patients who came in for something else (including a swine flu vaccine). This can be dangerous.

But I agree that a blanket rule, such as making nutritionists get vaccinated, is ridiculous.
 
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Kandahar said:
The only problem with that is that if health care workers are constantly exposed to sick people, they most likely will contract swine flu if they aren't vaccinated. And when they do, they're very likely to pass it along to other patients who came in for something else (including a swine flu vaccine). This can be dangerous.
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I'm a healthcare worker and I don't get the flu vaccine, and I never get the flu. I don't agree with getting the flu vaccine for myself. I choose to maintain my health through holistic means.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
I'm a healthcare worker and I don't get the flu vaccine, and I never get the flu. I don't agree with getting the flu vaccine for myself. I choose to maintain my health through holistic means.
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Well, "holistic means" don't prevent viruses. And while YOU may not get sick very often if you happened to have a strong immune system, you are the exception to the rule. It is dangerous to have health care workers contracting infectious diseases from their patients, then passing it on to other patients. This is a particularly bad way to contract swine flu, because many of the patients would already be sick from something else and thus more likely to have serious complications.
 
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Well, "holistic means" don't prevent viruses. And while YOU may not get sick very often if you happened to have a strong immune system, you are the exception to the rule. It is dangerous to have health care workers contracting infectious diseases from their patients, then passing it on to other patients. This is a particularly bad way to contract swine flu, because many of the patients would already be sick from something else and thus more likely to have serious complications.
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The sick healthcare worker absolutely has a responsibility to stay home while sick.

I hope the useless ANA gets off their paddyasses and fights this tooth and nail. Sadly, I seriously doubt they will because they are worthless bloodsuckers who don't really give a crap about nurses except as dues payers.
 
Kandahar said:
Well, "holistic means" don't prevent viruses. And while YOU may not get sick very often if you happened to have a strong immune system, you are the exception to the rule. It is dangerous to have health care workers contracting infectious diseases from their patients, then passing it on to other patients. This is a particularly bad way to contract swine flu, because many of the patients would already be sick from something else and thus more likely to have serious complications.
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I think more people will die in hospitals from septic infections than anything else.
 
Kandahar said:
The only problem with that is that if health care workers are constantly exposed to sick people, they most likely will contract swine flu if they aren't vaccinated. And when they do, they're very likely to pass it along to other patients who came in for something else (including a swine flu vaccine). This can be dangerous.
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No flu vaccine is 100%, and the H1N1 vaccine was really pushed through trials way too efficiently for my liking. I can just smell the corporate stink behind this law, and the dollars rolling in.
 
Kandahar said:
Ya, if they're actually requiring nutritionists and others who don't tend to the sick to get the vaccine, that's pretty ****ing retarded.

However, I don't have any problem with the state forcing medical personnel who ARE around sick people to get the vaccine. It's a public health hazard for them NOT to get it.
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It's new though and thus experimental to a point. I don't blame some folks for not wanting it. It's not a health hazard for them NOT to get it. Even if every dr. and nurse in a hospital was vaccinated the hospitals will always still be chuck full of folks who aren't.

They should get a choice.
 
Kandahar said:
The only problem with that is that if health care workers are constantly exposed to sick people, they most likely will contract swine flu if they aren't vaccinated. And when they do, they're very likely to pass it along to other patients who came in for something else (including a swine flu vaccine). This can be dangerous.

But I agree that a blanket rule, such as making nutritionists get vaccinated, is ridiculous.
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The same can be said for most any communicable disease that is spread the same way. Patients are always at risk. Hospitals are infectious locations.
 
Kandahar said:
Well, "holistic means" don't prevent viruses. And while YOU may not get sick very often if you happened to have a strong immune system, you are the exception to the rule. It is dangerous to have health care workers contracting infectious diseases from their patients, then passing it on to other patients. This is a particularly bad way to contract swine flu, because many of the patients would already be sick from something else and thus more likely to have serious complications.
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It's not an accident when people who eat healthy, exercise, and get enough rest have healthier lives and stronger immune systems. It is a direct result of a healthy lifestyle. Even conventional medicine acknowledges this as a proven cause and effect fact.
 
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The sick healthcare worker absolutely has a responsibility to stay home while sick.
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I agree, but most flu viruses have an incubation period of at least a day or so. Or the symptoms are mild enough at first that you don't realize it's the flu right away. They would be infecting other patients during this time.
 
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The same can be said for most any communicable disease that is spread the same way. Patients are always at risk. Hospitals are infectious locations.
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That's true, and I would likely feel the same way about any other pandemic.
 
The interesting aspect of this topic is that, hospitals have done an about face since the 1960s, when there were strict visiting rules. Back when I was a kid, children under 12 weren't even allowed on the wards. The rationale was infection control.

Now the pendulum has swung the other way, with family friendly policies that basically allow visitors to camp out wherever, sleep in the patient's room, all hours, bring take out food...

But meanwhile, the nurses and other healthcare workers must give up their rights. BTW, there still are staff shortages in many places, although it's been somewhat alleviated by the recession.
 
To The OP : That's because the doctors and nurses get to see the package insert, they know that vaccines are a scam.

Do a search on 'gardasil deaths' and you'll find all sorts of examples of women that end up with some sort of hemoragic response, paralysis, numbness, and a whole list of 'lesser' possible side-effects... Now, that this is going to be attempted to be deemed a 'mandatory vaccine' (On the alex jones show had about a dozen medical workers, police, teachers, etc all calling saying that they were told that vaccines would be mandatory... give it the credibility that you would, it's irrellevant anyway)

The point being that this vaccine is going to be potentially FAR WORSE then the swine flu is... not to mention that if you were exposed and didn't get sick, you're already immune. You won't be tested for immunity before being injected though.

I've heard numerous doctors speak on the subject... so I'm by no means any expert, but when several doctors are agreeing completely in their explanaitions, it's enough to be able to pass on.

Cheers.
 
BmanMcfly said:
I've heard numerous doctors speak on the subject... so I'm by no means any expert, but when several doctors are agreeing completely in their explanaitions, it's enough to be able to pass on.

Cheers.
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My own mother is a doctor and has no faith in these vaccinations. Im surprised that people dont remember the early Flu vaccinations that killed people. Albany has done some really stupid **** in the past but this currently tops them all.
 
They are going to require military personnel to take the shot.
 
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They are going to require military personnel to take the shot.
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True.

It almost feels like a psyop, where Obama says 'no, it's not mandatory', but then everyone acts as though it is mandatory, and then when questioned about it will deny that it's mandatory... that is untill you are alone and they tell you that you have to take the shot or lose your job, or something like that... (from some of the stories I've heard on talk radio call-ins... )
 
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