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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is the 1st I heard of LCROSS... Awesome.. Will we be able to see it?
    Supposedly if conditions are right all you need is an amateur telescope.

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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    What's being destroyed As I've stated before, this is nowhere near the scale of impacts that happen regularly on the moon. All that happens is that the surface soil is moved around a bit

    Also, I looked into the masses and found that this is actually smaller than the Japanese probe that impacted in June
    This is a rocket being intentionally launched into the south pole at the point of highest hydrogen content.

    On Oct. 9 at 4:30 a.m., the Ames team will send that 2-ton rocket crashing precisely into the target to send up a cloud of dust and debris more than 6 miles high.

    Read more: NASA chooses moon crater for crash of rocket


    There, acting as what the Ames team calls its "shepherding spacecraft," LCROSS will guide an empty Centaur rocket weighing two tons toward its target. The rocket will crash into the crater at 5,600 mph, creating a new crater - perhaps as large as 5 miles wide.

    Read more: Moon mission looking at possible colony sites

    How is that not destructive? You can be destructive to the moon without completely destroying it. You can damage something without obliterating it.


    Nothing went wrong. [
    Yes, something did. They had a fuel problem.

    NASA’s LCROSS lunar probe used up most of its fuel supply over the weekend when it was hit by a control problem with its Inertial Reference Unit, causing excess thruster firing. Initial reports were that about 70 percent of the fuel was used up.

    LCROSS Loses Much of Fuel Supply | Parabolic Arc


    The fact that other scientific organizations made progress is in no way a bad thing. Also, your flippant references to "blowing crap up" shows a great deal of ignorance. Spectral analysis of a high energy impact can yield a wealth of information with a degree of certainty that is very difficult to match.
    The entire purpose of the destructive mission is to find proof of water. This proof has already been found.

    What is the primary mission goal of LCROSS?

    There is evidence from previous missions for enhanced hydrogen deposits at the poles of the Moon. Due to limitations in the data sets that measured this hydrogen, we still do not know the form of the hydrogen, that is, is it in the form of water (H2O) or some other hydrogen-bearing compound, such has hydrated minerals or hydrocarbons.


    LCROSS - FAQ

    India has already done this and we were partnered with them while they did it!

    Three different spacecraft—India’s Chandrayaan-1, and NASA’s Cassini and Deep Impact—detected trace amounts of water molecules (H20) and hydroxyl (OH) while mapping the moon’s surface. Researchers estimated that 32 ounces of water can be found for every ton of the moon’s top layer, meaning that the moon is still drier than any desert on Earth.


    Proof of Water on the Moon: What Does It Mean for the Future of Space Exploration?

    Since the mission has already been accomplished there is no need to blow up anything, create any new deeper craters on the moon, pollute the moon, etc. with this mission.

    I seriously doubt that Obama has never talked about LCROSS at all. It is not a major mission, and I am completely unsurprised that it isn't a major talking point, but I'm sure he has discussed it whether or not it made CNN's front page. I don't see the need for him to address the nation at all - what would he say? As you've stated, the Indians have already announced the presence of water.
    I haven't found anything. And why wouldn't he address the nation on this? The fact that India in partnership with us Americans has proven there is water on the moon is a significant find itself. Since he's going on late night tv this is just the sort of thing that might warrant a mention.

    This is in no way a weapon
    Right a rocket isn't a weapon and launching it right into a moon to create a huge explosion that alters the land isn't destructive.



    When the Eagle landed was that "modifying a celestial body?" How about when any of the dozens of probes in this list impacted? How
    about when the Japanese probe impacted?

    Previously you stated that the Japanese probe was okay but this mission is not. I looked into it, and the Japanese probe was in fact bigger than the Centaur (2,300 kg vs 2,900 kg). Does this change your opinion at all?
    No because NASA has made much of how this impact, this rocket, will be launched at a much steeper impact angle as opposed to the Jap. probe.

    Kaguya was flying at a horizontal velocity of about 4,000 mph, but the spacecraft struck the moon at an angle of just 1 degree. The grazing impact was expected to diminish the crater size and dust cloud caused by the crash.
    Spaceflight Now | Breaking News | A smashing end for Japanese lunar orbiter mission

    The goal in this mission is the exact OPPOSITE of going for a smaller crater. The objective is to create a huge disturbance, large plume, and the angle is 70 degrees vs 1 degree.

    The lunar impacts of the 2000 kg upper stage and the 700 kg S-S/C will take place at a velocity of 2.5 km/sec and at an angle of 75

    LCROSS - Mission Rationale

    Are you under the impression that there is an explosive warhead being launched into the moon? Your usage of the term rocket and the phrase "blowing crap up" seems to suggest that. All that's impacting the moon is the empty upper stage. In any other mission this piece of hardware would just be set adrift (to eventually impact a celestial body)
    The way it is being launched into the moon at a steep angle is very different from it just crash landing. It is akin to blowing a hunk out of the moon.



    Out of all of that there are really two things I'd like an answer to. Are you under the impression that there is an explosive warhead being launched into the moon? Does the fact that the Japanese probe, which you previously stated you were okay with, was bigger than the LCROSS impactor change your opinion at all?
    See above.

    Jap probe was intentionally crash landed at an angle that would cause the smallest crater/plume/damage possible.

    This rocked will be launched at the moon like a missile at a steep angle designed to go to deep, create a huge crater, and a visible dust plume.

    Two completely different things.
    Last edited by talloulou; 09-29-09 at 06:57 PM.

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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Such a standard issue guy.



    They are going to boom boom the moon, Every 5 year old in every guy wants to see this.....
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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Supposedly if conditions are right all you need is an amateur telescope.



    I got's a hookup for something a little bigger, when is it happening?
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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i listened to the video, nobody was praying to obama. be honest.
    Hearing the group chant "Deliver us, Obama!" isn't praying to him?

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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by beez0811 View Post
    Hearing the group chant "Deliver us, Obama!" isn't praying to him?



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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Firstly, the lack of collective knowledge, interest, and discussion surrounding the event despite it's being 9 days away. No media discussion for something that's unprecedented and rather historic.
    NASA has lots of missions that no one cares about. That's nothing new.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou
    Second, I think there's a ton of ramifications for this type of act which warranted addressing/discussing. We're essentially launching a rocket into the moon. That, in my mind, constitutes a weapon in space and modifying a celestial body - both of which I bet we'd have a problem with if any other country was doing it.
    It isn't a weapon. No one lives on the moon and there are no structures to destroy. Furthermore, the rocket is consumed during the explosion, so it's not like we can use this rocket as a base with which to attack future moon settlements or earth nations.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou
    Since India has just this month proven there is in fact water on the moon there is no need for a destructive rocket attack against the planet.
    If I'm not mistaken, that just happened a few days ago. This rocket was launched in June. What exactly do you want them to do...call off an expensive mission that's already in progress, just because someone beat them to the punch by a few days? If nothing else, it will provide independent confirmation to the Indians' claim, which is always good.
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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I am almost sure you are joking here, but I just don't get the humor. Why would any one protest LCROSS?
    What is LCROSS ??
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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    What is LCROSS ??
    A semi cool lunar mission that is harmless and has some small value.

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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What exactly are the potential negatives? Is the moon going to blow up, or move off it's orbit path and crash into Earth, or get pissed and do something bad back to us?
    Now that I realize what LCROSS is does everyone understand that the explosive charge to be used is very very small and will propbably make only a foot crater or so ? We are not talking Mega Tons here people just a minor small little booom boom!!
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