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    Re: Praying to Obama

    okay....i found a different video to watch, whcih included to captions the opening poster mentioned.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Is your problem then the scale, rather than the impact? It's still completely insignificant. The moon is very large, and there isn't anything there except for impact craters. The impact from the rocket is no bigger than millions of others. What's the problem?
    My problem is the intentional destruction of a celestial body of which we still know very little about. Sending a rocket into a crater on the south pole which has the MOST hydrogen sounds destructive to me.

    It was recently confirmed that there is water on the Moon, this is true. The LCROSS mission was launched months before this confirmation. Even if there were any reason to call it off now, that would be impossible. The spacecraft encountered a problem in August in which it lost about half of its fuel. There is barely enough to complete the current mission, far less abort and avoid the lunar surface altogether
    That's an argument for never having gone this route in the first place if you ask me. We don't need to hurl rockets at the moon. And things, as you've stated, can go wrong. Also if India was able to trump NASA and find water without blowing crap up then clearly we're blowing crap up just to blow crap up.

    The lack of public interest in space matters is sad, I agree. This is a general feature of our society and as nothing to do with LCROSS.
    Our media sucks. Still Obama should address the nation. If NASA truly wants all eyes on the sky on OCT 9 and if you can see it with an amateur telescope perhaps Obama ought to bring that up on one of his visits to late night tv. Or just drop it randomly in an interview like the time he let us know Kanye West is a jackass.

    Intent matters. Anything can be a weapon if you use it as such. This is a purely scientific mission and reading anything else into it is missing the point.
    We signed a space treaty agreeing not to weaponize space or modify a celestial body.

    How is launching a rocket at the moon in compliance with that treaty?



    "Modifying a celestial body" is what happened each and every of the other dozens of times in which we have piloted spacecraft or other objects into asteroids, planets, moons, and anything else of scientific interest that's out there. Everything in space is constantly being pelted by countless bits of matter of every size. That's just what happens. If you're concerned about the Moon I assure you, this is nothing that hasn't happened billions of times in the past and is nothing more than what will happen billions of times in the future regardless of man's actions. The only difference is that we have a satellite observing this in a planned fashion.
    Stuff crash landing into the moon is not nearly on the same level as launching a rocket into a crater that has the highest hydrogen content. It's different the way a meteor shower is different from us purposefully launching a missile into Iraq.

    I will point you once more to the Japanese probe that impacted the moon in June



    As I've stated before, the mission is well past committed. You can't just hit the brakes and turn it around. Even if that were possible, there is still plenty to be learned from directly observing a lunar impact, and the mission holds considerable scientific value even if it won't be the one to definitively answer the media-friendly question of the existence of lunar water
    Again, crash landings are not the same as searching out the most visible hydrogen laden crater to launch a rocket into. It warrants discussion. It's a decision that should not have been made by a few with little to no discussion by humanity as a whole.

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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Really smart dudes come up with some bloody awful ideas. I think even Carl Sagan was in on the macho plot to detonate a nuke on the moon back in the day.

    The mission, "A mushroom cloud so large it could be seen on Earth."

    It would be funny if it weren't true.
    Now there is a good idea.... test our new nuclear weapons on the moon instead of in a virtual computer world. Much better than here on Earth and we could do REALLY BIG weapons.... like 200 MT crust busters!!!! Like make it a yearly thing on the 4th of July.


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    Re: Praying to Obama

    did that woman in the video call martin luther king a prophet?

    Don't know if I heard that right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    did that woman in the video call martin luther king a prophet?

    Don't know if I heard that right.
    Absolutely correct.

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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Absolutely correct.
    whole thing seems a little "cultish" to me...

    CULT + POLITICS = VERY BAD IDEA
    Last edited by other; 09-29-09 at 05:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    whole thing seems a little "cultish" to me...

    CULT + POLITICS = VERY BAD
    It seems like the kind of event I try to avoid at all costs. Bad trombone, people in religious robes, and too much chanting.

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    Re: Praying to Obama

    This is the 1st I heard of LCROSS... Awesome.. Will we be able to see it?
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    My problem is the intentional destruction of a celestial body of which we still know very little about. Sending a rocket into a crater on the south pole which has the MOST hydrogen sounds destructive to me.
    What's being destroyed As I've stated before, this is nowhere near the scale of impacts that happen regularly on the moon. All that happens is that the surface soil is moved around a bit

    Also, I looked into the masses and found that this is actually smaller than the Japanese probe that impacted in June


    That's an argument for never having gone this route in the first place if you ask me. We don't need to hurl rockets at the moon. And things, as you've stated, can go wrong. Also if India was able to trump NASA and find water without blowing crap up then clearly we're blowing crap up just to blow crap up.
    Nothing went wrong. The fact that other scientific organizations made progress is in no way a bad thing. Also, your flippant references to "blowing crap up" shows a great deal of ignorance. Spectral analysis of a high energy impact can yield a wealth of information with a degree of certainty that is very difficult to match.

    Our media sucks. Still Obama should address the nation. If NASA truly wants all eyes on the sky on OCT 9 and if you can see it with an amateur telescope perhaps Obama ought to bring that up on one of his visits to late night tv. Or just drop it randomly in an interview like the time he let us know Kanye West is a jackass.
    I seriously doubt that Obama has never talked about LCROSS at all. It is not a major mission, and I am completely unsurprised that it isn't a major talking point, but I'm sure he has discussed it whether or not it made CNN's front page. I don't see the need for him to address the nation at all - what would he say? As you've stated, the Indians have already announced the presence of water.

    We signed a space treaty agreeing not to weaponize space
    This is in no way a weapon

    or modify a celestial body.

    How is launching a rocket at the moon in compliance with that treaty?
    When the Eagle landed was that "modifying a celestial body?" How about when any of the dozens of probes in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artificial_objects_on_the_Moon"]this list[/ame] impacted? How
    about when the Japanese probe impacted?

    Previously you stated that the Japanese probe was okay but this mission is not. I looked into it, and the Japanese probe was in fact bigger than the Centaur ([ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCROSS"]2,300 kg[/ame] vs [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELENE"]2,900 kg[/ame]). Does this change your opinion at all?

    stuff crash landing into the moon is not nearly on the same level as launching a rocket into a crater that has the highest hydrogen content. It's different the way a meteor shower is different from us purposefully launching a missile into Iraq.

    Are you under the impression that there is an explosive warhead being launched into the moon? Your usage of the term rocket and the phrase "blowing crap up" seems to suggest that. All that's impacting the moon is the empty upper stage. In any other mission this piece of hardware would just be set adrift (to eventually impact a celestial body)

    Again, crash landings are not the same as searching out the most visible hydrogen laden crater to launch a rocket into. It warrants discussion. It's a decision that should not have been made by a few with little to no discussion by humanity as a whole.
    It was discussed heavily during the planning stages. Being a routine scientific mission, the rest of humanity had better things to worry about (namely, American Idol)




    Out of all of that there are really two things I'd like an answer to. Are you under the impression that there is an explosive warhead being launched into the moon? Does the fact that the Japanese probe, which you previously stated you were okay with, was bigger than the LCROSS impactor change your opinion at all?
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    Re: Praying to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    This is the 1st I heard of LCROSS... Awesome.. Will we be able to see it?
    Such a standard issue guy.

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