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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yes, I do. It's a local issue, for the mayor, not a presidential issue. I asked this before to those defending Obama, Can you show me where any president has ever gone to a foriegn country to lobby for a city to host the olympics?



    I had no problem, with Bush and the reading, There are protocols in place and you don't go moving the president all reactionary like that.

    My Father in law was a radio operator on AF1 for three presidents. I state this as fact.



    Katrina, again, Local and state issue. I have always said this. I don't blame American Samoa on Obama either.


    Crawford? Wasn't that more of a "whitehouse west"? Can you show me how he was not dealing with the national business while he was in crawford?

    On that same note, I had no problem with Obama's vacation to martha's vineyard.... These are apples to apples to me, not the olympics, not leno, not 1 contact in 70 days with the commander of a-stan.
    it's certainly not a local issue. the olympics is a world stage.

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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    it's certainly not a local issue. the olympics is a world stage.



    Please list the presidents who personally lobbied for the Olympics like this, ever.


    It's a local, regional issue at best.
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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    I don't remember presidents Bush or Clinton helping with the Salt Lake City bid. Where's Michael Jordan? That's who SHOULD have been tapped for this job.

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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I don't remember presidents Bush or Clinton helping with the Salt Lake City bid. Where's Michael Jordan? That's who SHOULD have been tapped for this job.



    See now that's smart.


    I think the fix is in, and this is all fake publicity for Obama...


    but if it wasn't Jordan would have been the man to do it....
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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Yes, I do. It's a local issue, for the mayor, not a presidential issue. I asked this before to those defending Obama, Can you show me where any president has ever gone to a foriegn country to lobby for a city to host the olympics?
    As I said, I believe (I heard it on a radio news blip so may be wrong), that the heads of state of each of the other three host cities were personally coming to speak before the IOC. If that is the case the correct nationally diplomatic thing and protocol to do would be to ALSO show up instead of making it that the United States of the America is the only country that appears so disdainful of the Olympics and believe its so unimportant that it does not show it the same respect that the other host countries are.

    It amazes me that those that can rally behind the notion that you need a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment to ban flag burning because its unpatriotic are going to have vitriol for a man for attempting attempting to make sure that the U.S. plays host to an international event of immense proportions dating back through numerous y ears and a history of great importance that would turn all eyes onto America, both in countries that dislike us and like us, to see and show our country and our culture.

    I don't care if this was Bush lobbying it for (God help me) Dallas if he was in and that was the host city. If other heads of state are NOT lobbying for it, then I agree, he shouldn't go. But if htey are, he should definitely not have the U.S. be the disrespectful schlub who mails it in essentially.

    To use an olympic analogy. If the other countries are sending their best I want to send the Dream Team over and make sure we ourselves a gold and show that we are the best, not send over the scrubs we sent over to play basketball up to the last olympics.

    And in regards to crawford being White House West...

    I've heard you say you have a history in IT. You can't tell me you honestly believe that the President could not be in constant communication and ability to work the entire flight over and the entire time he's outside of that meeting. In reality that meeting may take up...what? A few real "hours" of his time in total that he couldn't be working still? And if that's the case, is it really any different than going mountain biking with Jim Zorn?

    I agree with you 100% on the Leno and Letterman stuff. I don't think this is anywhere near the same ball park. One has absolutely zero to do with the Presidency. This at least is involving actual international politics.

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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    It amazes me that those that can rally behind the notion that you need a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment to ban flag burning because its unpatriotic are going to have vitriol for a man for attempting attempting to make sure that the U.S. plays host to an international event of immense proportions dating back through numerous y ears and a history of great importance that would turn all eyes onto America, both in countries that dislike us and like us, to see and show .
    The U.S. has hosted this event MANY times just in the last 20 years:

    Atlanta
    Los Angeles
    Salt Lake City.

    Why do you believe that we should always need to hog the world's stage, exactly?

    There are MANY countries in the world competing to host this event.

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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Summer
    1972 Munich, Germany XX
    1976 Montréal, Canada XXI
    1980 Moscow, Russia XXII
    1984 Los Angeles, United States XXIII 1988 Seoul, South Korea XXIV
    1992 Barcelona, Spain XXV
    1996 Atlanta, United States XXVI
    2000 Sydney, Australia XXVII
    2004 Athens, Greece XXVIII
    2008 Beijing, China XXIX
    2012 London, England XXX

    Winter
    1980 Lake Placid, United States XIII 1984 Sarajevo, Yugoslavia XIV
    1988 Calgary, Canada XV
    1992 Albertville, France XVI
    1994 Lillehammer, Norway XVII
    1998 Nagano, Japan XVIII
    2002 Salt Lake City, United States XIX 2006 Turin, Italy XX
    2010 Vancouver, Canada XXI
    2014 Sochi, Russia XXII

    We've already hosted these events more than almost any other country in the world.

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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    As I said, I believe (I heard it on a radio news blip so may be wrong), that the heads of state of each of the other three host cities were personally coming to speak before the IOC. If that is the case the correct nationally diplomatic thing and protocol to do would be to ALSO show up instead of making it that the United States of the America is the only country that appears so disdainful of the Olympics and believe its so unimportant that it does not show it the same respect that the other host countries are.

    I'd have to see a link to even consider this. But as a raging patriot, I think we are still above that all.


    It amazes me that those that can rally behind the notion that you need a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment to ban flag burning because its unpatriotic are going to have vitriol for a man for attempting attempting to make sure that the U.S. plays host to an international event of immense proportions dating back through numerous y ears and a history of great importance that would turn all eyes onto America, both in countries that dislike us and like us, to see and show our country and our culture.

    Huh? I am against any amendment against flag burning, or gay marriage for that matter.


    I don't care if this was Bush lobbying it for (God help me) Dallas if he was in and that was the host city. If other heads of state are NOT lobbying for it, then I agree, he shouldn't go. But if htey are, he should definitely not have the U.S. be the disrespectful schlub who mails it in essentially.

    I would have the same position if Bush did this for Utah. Or wherever. Its not a presidents place IMO. Especially when you have dems screaming at him to take stand on healthcare, and the General in A-stan stating he hasnt heard from Obama in 70 days.....


    Priorities my friend....


    To use an olympic analogy. If the other countries are sending their best I want to send the Dream Team over and make sure we ourselves a gold and show that we are the best, not send over the scrubs we sent over to play basketball up to the last olympics.
    Catz said it best.


    Jordan would have been a better ambassador for the olympics.



    And I Fully believe we already have the olympics, if we didn't I don't see Obama going there to give people like me fodder when he fails.




    And in regards to crawford being White House West...

    I've heard you say you have a history in IT. You can't tell me you honestly believe that the President could not be in constant communication and ability to work the entire flight over and the entire time he's outside of that meeting. In reality that meeting may take up...what? A few real "hours" of his time in total that he couldn't be working still? And if that's the case, is it really any different than going mountain biking with Jim Zorn?

    I am, and I was going to make a comment about mountain biking and working on a computer. But with my new mount. I can watch movies on my iphone on my bike. so yeah.... He can do that...

    I am not claiming he is not. What I am having an issue with, is his seemingly constant delay in making any decisions. And the look to the troops, that they sit there while he fiddles with the olympics, is not a good thing.


    I agree with you 100% on the Leno and Letterman stuff. I don't think this is anywhere near the same ball park. One has absolutely zero to do with the Presidency. This at least is involving actual international politics.


    I think, if we were at peace, and not having a huge healthcare debate, sure, why not....
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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I think, if we were at peace, and not having a huge healthcare debate, sure, why not....
    That's it, totally. Right now, I consider his plate full of work that America needs HIM to perform.

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    Re: Obama going to Denmark to pitch Chicago Olympics

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Jordan would have been a better ambassador for the olympics.
    Someone didn't see his Hall of Fame Speech

    He'd probably tell the IOC how they pissed him off at some point in the past and give a great story how he used that to fuel him on the dream team and then smacked one of the IOC's kids while depantsing another one in the opening ceremonies just to show them that Michael Jordan is competitive.....

    As to Catz...

    I won't lie here. Its the unabashed nationalist in me at times. Its the same reason that by god I want to see us bring home the gold each and every time in each and every event. No disrespect to other countries, but I love mine and when given the choice of promoting it on the world stage I will just about always side with it. If we had it EVERY time I may think differently, but we don't

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