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Liberals seek health-care access for illegals

Then if we can't get the will or the ability to send them back then the next option is to make their ability to live here illegally as hard, difficult, and unappealing as possible not make it easier and more appealing.

The issue is actually holding employers accountable, with threatened jail time, for hiring illegals, and loosening up the standards to allow businesses to question potentially fraudulent identification (they can't, now, or they can be sued for discrimination). Cut out the money, and you remove the reason to come here.
 
Then if we can't get the will or the ability to send them back then the next option is to make their ability to live here illegally as hard, difficult, and unappealing as possible not make it easier and more appealing.

Have fun with that. I have no interest in it.
 
This would be a bad policy under the current process; however, once the Government makes it easy to verify SS and visa information on line for employers, then yes, if they willfully flaunt our laws they should be thrown in jail or heavily fined.

Right now, employers are expected to be legally liable for determining whether a SS card has been illegally obtained (they are easy to forge in their current form). In addition, many States, like California, issue drivers licenses and the Democrat controlled legislatures continue arguing FOR providing drivers licenses for illegal aliens.

It is hard to expect the employer to enforce immigration laws when the State issues them drivers licenses which is one of the forms of ID required to be verified by the employer.

You never heard of an I-9 form? If an illegal uses a fake SS card, then the employer is not liable. If an employer does not fill out an I-9 (most who hire illegals don't), then the employer should get a 30 day sentence to think about it. If an employer falsifies an I-9, it should be good for at least a year in prison.
 
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the fact that 22 house libs are pushing for illegals' inclusion shows how far the party is from reaching agreement on health care

its problems appear insuperable
 
It must suck to be Obama, right now. 22 Democrats just made him into a huge liar. Looks like Joe Wilson was right on target.
 
It must suck to be Obama, right now. 22 Democrats just made him into a huge liar. Looks like Joe Wilson was right on target.

Wait, so are you saying that if you state something you feel is true based on the current information you have and then it later comes to be that that information is wrong and situations have changed, that means you lied?
 
Wait, so are you saying that if you state something you feel is true based on the current information you have and then it later comes to be that that information is wrong and situations have changed, that means you lied?

That's what happened with Bush anyways. He was sure that there were WMD's over in Iraq. When none was found people started to call him a liar.
 
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I don't care if they allow legal immigrants access to health care. But illegal immigrants? Hell no.

Right or wrong, we are already paying for them through high insurance premiums & unless Emergency Rooms start denying critical care to some people, I can't imagine how passing along these costs could be stopped.
 
Right or wrong, we are already paying for them through high insurance premiums & unless Emergency Rooms start denying critical care to some people, I can't imagine how passing along these costs could be stopped.

They should be given proper care then promptly deported, in accordance with the law.
 
They should be given proper care then promptly deported, in accordance with the law.

I hear you but:
1. That means we still pay for their ER care
2. Even if deported, they will be back....tomorrow....next week...or next month.

I don't think anyone wants to pay for illegal aliens HC...but I can't see a realistic way around it. (I have less problems with it if they are paying for it through payroll/wage deductions, somehow. They are illegals but someone is paying them or they wouldn't be here in the first place)
 
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They should be given proper care then promptly deported, in accordance with the law.
i tend to agree.....and their employers should be heavily fined, immediately.
 
I hear you but:
1. That means we still pay for their ER care
2. Even if deported, they will be back....tomorrow....next week...or next month.

I don't think anyone wants to pay for illegal aliens HC...but I can't see a realistic way around it.

1) yes. we do not deny emergency care to anyone, I'm OK with that.

2) Less so if we actually enforce the laws, right now we treat the whole issue of actually enforcing it as a joke, so it's no wonder illegals don't take it seriously.
 
i tend to agree.....and their employers should be heavily fined, immediately.

If such a law was proposed in congress, I would support it. If the employers knowingly employ illegals, they are accomplice to a crime.
 
2) Less so if we actually enforce the laws, right now we treat the whole issue of actually enforcing it as a joke, so it's no wonder illegals don't take it seriously.

That always sounds good on paper or written into "Feel Good" legislation but stopping illegal border crossing is virtually impossible to achieve.
(only chance we have is to stop the incentive for coming here in the first place. No jobs for illegals...but that's a whole other topic)
 
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That always sounds good on paper or written into "Feel Good" legislation but stopping illegal border crossing is virtually impossible to achieve.

That's not a reason to completely ignore the problem though. It's impossible to completely stop any particular crime, doesn't mean we don't enforce it when appropriate.
 
That's not a reason to completely ignore the problem though.
I'm paying attention right now.:lol:

How do we stop illegals ? (we already have an expensive Border Patrol police infrastructure in place but that's doesn't even make a dent in the problem)
 
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I'm paying attention right now.:lol:

How do we stop illegals ? (we already have an expensive Border Patrol police infrastructure in place but that's doesn't even make a dent in the problem)


1st we need to make it illegal to employ, rent to, sell real estate to, bank with, etc. anyone that is in this country illegally with a $10,000 per head fine and/or up to 5 years prison term per illegal alien hired, rented to, sold to, banked with, etc.

2nd We need to give employers, real estate agents, home owners, bankers, etc. a system such as e-verify to check citizenship status of ALL present and future employees, etc.... give employers, etc. 2 weeks to conform to all employment, etc. laws.

3rd we need to deport any illegal alien found in this country and make it a felony to aid or abbet any illegal alien. That would include treating them in an ER without reporting them or selling/renting them property, or opening a bank account for.

We could call this the "Go home bill"... and yes, I would be an equal opportunity racist, I would insist that the bill be applied to everyone.
 
1st we need to make it illegal to employ, rent to, sell real estate to, bank with, etc. anyone that is in this country illegally with a $10,000 per head fine and/or up to 5 years prison term per illegal alien hired, rented to, sold to, banked with, etc.

2nd We need to give employers, real estate agents, home owners, bankers, etc. a system such as e-verify to check citizenship status of ALL present and future employees, etc.... give employers, etc. 2 weeks to conform to all employment, etc. laws.

3rd we need to deport any illegal alien found in this country and make it a felony to aid or abbet any illegal alien. That would include treating them in an ER without reporting them or selling/renting them property, or opening a bank account for.

We could call this the "Go home bill"... and yes, I would be an equal opportunity racist, I would insist that the bill be applied to everyone.

I actually agree with parts of your first 2 points but don't think they're realistic, due to politics. ( Illegals are a cheap source of labor for business (GOP likes them for that) & a ready base of votes/money for the liberal side (Dems like them for that)..So there is little REAL desire to get rid of them from either side of the aisle. As far as this is concerned: ..."make it a felony to aid or abbet any illegal alien". ..You would have to jail Mitt Romney (possible GOP nominee for President in 2012) who used illegals for yard work on his mansion in Mass.

As far as your 3rd suggestion is concerned i think it is impossible to actually do unless we spent all our tax money to do it. (Eeven then I think it would fail)

It's something politicians will pay lip service to but there is no effort to hange anything for real.
 
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I actually agree with parts of your first 2 points but don't think they're realistic, due to politics. ( Illegals are a cheap source of labor for business (GOP likes them for that) & a ready base of votes/money for the liberal side (Dems like them for that)..So there is little REAL desire to get rid of them from either side of the aisle. As far as this is concerned: ..."make it a felony to aid or abbet any illegal alien". ..You would have to jail Mitt Romney who used illegals for hardworking on his mansion in Mass.

As far as your 3rd suggestion is concerned i think it is impossible to actually do unless we spent all our tax money to do it. (Eeven then I think it would fail)

It's something politicians will pay lip service to but there is no effort to hange anything for real.

If we get the right people in office, it is possible that the federal government will actually do its proper job, although I can see why you are doubtful.
 
We have plenty of laws now, all we have to do is enforce them.
 
If we get the right people in office, it is possible that the federal government will actually do its proper job, although I can see why you are doubtful.

I think we better start looking for these "Right People" on Mars then..... because I doubt we're ever going to find them here on Earth.:lol:
 
I think we better start looking for these "Right People" on Mars then..... because I doubt we're ever going to find them here on Earth.:lol:

The right people are those who understand why they take a vow to protect and defend the constitution... I'm sure they're out there, but in the mean time we should all at least slow down the process by not voting for democrats. ;)

:lol:
 
The right people are those who understand why they take a vow to protect and defend the constitution... I'm sure they're out there, but in the mean time we should all at least slow down the process by not voting for democrats. ;)

:lol:

:lol: You spelled Republicans wrong....It's R E P U B L I C A N ..!:lol: :2wave:
 
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