But rationally and logically folks should realize it's more cost effective to include illegals in the plan rather than trying to exclude them. They will be seen - one way or another. The ER costs more, being uninsured costs more, etc. Inevitably they get care and society picks up the tab AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. We might as well do ourselves a favor and make the tab more cost efficient.
I was at a wedding this summer where my brother married one of these so called illegals. She's in the process of finishing up her application for legal status and it's likely she will be accepted given that my brother is now married to her and signed documents showing he has been gainfully employed for years and is more than capable of supporting her. But even with all that there's a chance she may be turned down.
Anyway at the wedding mixing with her relatives I came to see how huge this problem is. It's incredible how these families are so mixed where a father is a citizen but a mother is not or both parents are not but 2 siblings are and 1 isn't. It's crazy. The gal my brother married was dragged here at 15. And yeah I say dragged 'cause her parents brought her. What was she to do? Stay in Mexico without her family at 15? Her sister is a citizen. Her mother gave birth to the sister here, but not her. Anyway her mother dragged her here. She wanted to stay in Mexico with her friends, her school, etc. But the family was moving up here. Most relatives were already here. Few were left in Mexico. Because her mother did this to her she is now a full grown woman who worries every single time she drives on the freeway about getting pulled over and deported. She never finished high school. When she came here, at 15, her mother opted to just put her in adult night classes that teach Spanish speaking folks English. They lied and said she was 18 to get her in. She can never get a job making any real money 'cause she has to work under the table. No drivers license. No ID at all. It's a god damn mess and it's her parents fault.
I thought her story was crazy. Then I met her extended family and friends. Her story is not unique. It's common. There are illegals who have been here since they were 2 years old. They have siblings that are legal. They remember nothing of Mexico. Should they be tossed back over the fence?
The issue is far more complex than folks make it out to be.
The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016
This article is dishonest, or just bad. It contradicts itself:
The Democrats, trying to stiffen their party's spines on the contentious issue, say it's unfair to bar illegal immigrants from paying their own way in a government-sponsored exchange. Legal immigrants, they say, regardless of how long they've been in the United States, should be able to get government-subsidized health care if they meet the other eligibility requirements.
It makes no sense to bar illegals from paying their own way in purchasing health insurance. And this paragraph notes that the argument is to allow them to use their own money to purchase insurance. But then it says they will be purchasing gov't-subsidized insurance. This is false, or a lie. The insurance plans are not subsidized. If they are paying premiums, they are paying full boat. Certain people will qualify for subsidies, but certainly not everyone. The plans themselves are not subsidized.
But then the logical person asks the following question; why is it then that we treat them but do not report them to the immigration officials so that when they are released front he hospitals, they can be sent back to whence they came?
This whole healthcare debate is beyond farcical, but the argument that illegal aliens have rights is beyond farcical and borders on insane.
Yes, anyone who requires critical care need to be provided for; morally one cannot stand by and watch someone die on our streets. But the notion that we then just let them go back to the streets after they receive treatment is beyond the pale.
The reason we have an ILLEGAL alien problem in this nation is our Nations disregard for our laws, particularly State Governments like California's.
How about using the money to isntead find and deport them, and to further secure the borders to stop people coming in. (Also of course actually enforce current laws on employers)
Its quite arguable that doing that would also be more cost effective than treating them in ER's, while having the additional benefit of removing those illegally here from the country.
Somehow rewarding them because they've managed to **** the system so massively is not what I view as the correct method. All that does is FURTHER encourage people to break the laws and come here illegally.
Hell, take advantage of the ER situation and after treating them and finding them not to be legal citizens call the cops and send them back. At the very least it should hopefully deter those that use it as a means of care because their kid has the sniffles or a sprained ankle.
Last edited by Zyphlin; 09-28-09 at 01:43 PM.
"I am appalled that somebody who is the nominee...would take that kind of position"
"A court took away a presidency"
"...the brother of a man running for president was the governor of the state..."
It's horrifying because Trump is blunt instead of making overt implications.