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Exclusion of menthol cigarettes in ban worries health experts

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Exclusion of menthol cigarettes in ban worries health experts - USATODAY.com

I've still not heard a rational reason for banning flavored cigarettes while excluding menthols.

The Food and Drug Administration may have banned candy- and fruit-flavored cigarettes Tuesday, but some public health experts still see a big hole in their efforts to keep teens from starting to smoke.

That's because menthol, the top-selling flavor of cigarette and one increasingly popular with teen smokers, remains on the market.

The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, which President Obama signed in June, authorized the FDA to ban all flavors of cigarettes except menthol.

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Although teen smoking overall has declined, the proportion who smoke menthol cigarettes is rising — 17.5% from 2000 to 2002, according to the American Legacy Foundation, created as a result of the 1998 settlement between state attorneys general and the tobacco industry. About 44% of smokers ages 12 to 17 use menthol cigarettes, the foundation says.

"It makes no sense" to keep menthol cigarettes on the market, says Legacy CEO Cheryl Healton.

A 2002 study found 60% of middle school smokers smoked menthol, says scientist James Hersey with RTI International, an independent research institute in Washington, D.C. "I think menthol is easier to smoke, so kids will often start with menthol."

And Hersey's research suggests young menthol smokers are more likely to be addicted to nicotine than their peers who smoke non-menthol cigarettes. But studies of whether menthol smokers find it more difficult to quit than non-menthol smokers have had mixed results.

In a study of more than 4,000 middle and high school students, University of Georgia researchers Jerome Legge and Jessica Muilenburg found menthol smokers smoked more cigarettes than non-menthol smokers.
 
There's a rational reasoning for banning flavored cigarettes to begin with?
 
There's a rational reasoning for banning flavored cigarettes to begin with?

Umm..kids...and......uh....you know.....cigarettes...and...um..bad...

yep. That about covers it
 
Umm..kids...and......uh....you know.....cigarettes...and...um..bad...

yep. That about covers it

So, are you saying that just because cigarettes have a cute little flavor our kids are too stupid to know that they are still cigarettes? I have just a little more confidence in the next generation than that. But, all my kids are bi-lingual, so maybe I'm able see things from a different perspective.

IMO, if you want to discourage smoking, you should ban everything but flavored cigarettes, especially menthols.
 
I can't believe the way they *****foot around with this crap. If they want to ban smoking just freaking do it already. I don't understand these incremental baby steps.
 
They would have to find a new issue then. This way they can milk it for years and years.

"Hey, I'm Joe Politician, vote for me or have your kids die from a smoking-assisted early death!"

Alternatively, "The other guy wants to kill your kids because he doesn't want to ban watermelon flavored cigs!"

Case in point, this ban doesn't cover flavored tobacco 'in general.' If you really need your watermelon tobacco fix you can just roll yourself a blunt.
 
I can't believe the way they *****foot around with this crap. If they want to ban smoking just freaking do it already. I don't understand these incremental baby steps.

This is much easier to pass because real hardcore smokers don't smoke **** like cloves. It's a great incremental step, if that's what they're going for.
 
Yep. It's an incremental step... They're getting their foot in the door, banning the products that will produce the least-visible backlash.

They must have learned something from the whole prohibition fiasco..
 
God I am so sick of people telling me what I can and can't have. It's my GD friggen body not theirs. LEAVE ME ALONE!
 
I can't believe the way they *****foot around with this crap. If they want to ban smoking just freaking do it already. I don't understand these incremental baby steps.

What blows me away, is that the same people who want to ban flavored cigs are the same people that want to legalize dope.
 
I suspect it has something to do with the HNIC. they do seem predisposed to menthols, in my experience :shrugs:
 
God I am so sick of people telling me what I can and can't have. It's my GD friggen body not theirs. LEAVE ME ALONE!

FWIW, I'm sick of having obese smokers who spend their days eating fried chicken and watching soaps tell me that the rest of society should be paying for their healthcare.

I think a significant hike in cigarette taxes is preferable to an outright banning, but I don't think this is particularly outrageous.

What blows me away, is that the same people who want to ban flavored cigs are the same people that want to legalize dope.

I don't know why those two are logically inconsistent.
 
What blows me away, is that the same people who want to ban flavored cigs are the same people that want to legalize dope.

Not everyone who wants to legalize dope supports this. I hate bans or illegalities on any substance, I think this is just as dumb a pot prohibition. I don't smoke tobacco, and while I will say I enjoy going to a facility that is smoke free (don't leave smelling like an ash tray) I think it's absurd for the government to tell businesses that people can't smoke in their establishments. I think the government has done there jobs in preventative measures such as DARE programs, television ads and labels on the box. There is no doubt that the message is pretty clear that they are bad for you. Beyond providing credible information though the government is completely overstepping their bounds.
 
There's a rational reasoning for banning flavored cigarettes to begin with?

Actually, there is, and it is about money. Flavored cigarettes were labeled and sold as "cigars", thus doing an end around on Obama's cigarette taxes, in which the taxes on cigars were much lower. Many poor people were buying them. Banning the flavored cigarettes means smokers are forced to purchase the high priced cigarettes, thus moving more money into government coffers.
 
Explain how dope is more unhealthy than cigarettes? Do I really have to go into all that?

Actually, now you've peaked my interest...Please do go into it how dope is more unhealthy than smoking cigarettes.
 
Actually, now you've peaked my interest...Please do go into it how dope is more unhealthy than smoking cigarettes.

I have to explain to you have weed has five times more cancer causing agents than cigarettes? Surely, I don't.
 
Actually, there is, and it is about money. Flavored cigarettes were labeled and sold as "cigars", thus doing an end around on Obama's cigarette taxes, in which the taxes on cigars were much lower. Many poor people were buying them. Banning the flavored cigarettes means smokers are forced to purchase the high priced cigarettes, thus moving more money into government coffers.

Not all of them were sold as, "cigars".
 
I have to explain to you have weed has five times more cancer causing agents than cigarettes? Surely, I don't.

Surely you do as the burden of proof is on you and I have a very hard time believing that tobacco mixed with deadly chemicals is more likely to give you cancer than a natural plant.
 
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