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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanaganReport View Post
    Well, really, a mandate from the Security Council (which would come from classifying it as a "threat to international peace and security") would be all we needed from the UN.
    Or...we could ignore the UN and declare this a national defense issue of the US. There is always that.

    This would be much harder to carry out in Iran for numerous reasons in my opinion and might result in the opposite effect that we intended.
    True, but any strike after they've actually built a weapon would be even harder to carry out and...while considering unwanted effects, it would result in one wanted effect. We could set the Iranain weapons program back at least a decade. I'd live with the others.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

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    Or...we could ignore the UN and declare this a national defense issue of the US. There is always that.
    Haha, there is always that yes. That said, I think the United States still can glean some benefits from the UN, and therefore should not simply declare that it is irrelevant.

    But if it comes to that, I would perhaps take it to NATO to get a mandate. It is always easier and better to act internationally with some form of mandate if you can get one.

    True, but any strike after they've actually built a weapon would be even harder to carry out and...while considering unwanted effects, it would result in one wanted effect. We could set the Iranain weapons program back at least a decade. I'd live with the others.
    Well, we "might" set the program back, assuming we know where all the sites are and have successful attacks. That said, most estimates are that Iran is still a bit away from being able to produce an actual weapon, so I would say we still have a small window to try other ideas.

    But of course, we have to weight the possibility that we set it back (maybe) with the possibility that we fail, and the retaliation that will inevitably come, in Iraq, Israel, the world oil markets etc.

    While I agree that waiting makes the prospect even worse, I think we have to bite the bullet and wait for a bit longer.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanaganReport View Post
    Haha, there is always that yes. That said, I think the United States still can glean some benefits from the UN, and therefore should not simply declare that it is irrelevant.

    But if it comes to that, I would perhaps take it to NATO to get a mandate. It is always easier and better to act internationally with some form of mandate if you can get one.
    My concern is we depend...and then alter our decision on what to do based on some UN or Nato opinion or decision. We must decide for ourselves...then try to get an international relevance to go along with it, but if they don't...we MUST act alone if necessary.

    Well, we "might" set the program back, assuming we know where all the sites are and have successful attacks. That said, most estimates are that Iran is still a bit away from being able to produce an actual weapon, so I would say we still have a small window to try other ideas.
    I say the getting smaller window is ripe for plucking. You are correct, a window remains open, it will shut rather quickly.

    But of course, we have to weight the possibility that we set it back (maybe) with the possibility that we fail, and the retaliation that will inevitably come, in Iraq, Israel, the world oil markets etc.
    What happens to Iraq, Israel, world markets, in fact the entire ME if IRan builds a nuke?

    While I agree that waiting makes the prospect even worse, I think we have to bite the bullet and wait for a bit longer.
    And I respect that. But...if I'd like to borrow the keys to the F-18 strike fighter if you don't mind, you can sit here and....wait. See ya!

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by youknowwho View Post
    first of all, it's "regime" not Iran, since the election, they don't represent Iran. second, they have no domestic audience. the regime is unstable enough that will get toppled in a year or two. and that's why I'm scared, 'cause I know that they will go for a suicide mission before falling, and I believe Israelis should be scared too.
    So would you support an Israeli preemptive strike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    So would you support an Israeli preemptive strike?
    nope, that's exactly what they want. I believe open war is the worst way of doing that. instead supporting the inside opposition is more effective and less dangerous for Iranian and Israeli people.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by youknowwho View Post
    nope, that's exactly what they want. I believe open war is the worst way of doing that. instead supporting the inside opposition is more effective and less dangerous for Iranian and Israeli people.
    I understood that students took to the streets again in Iran this week. Thinking of you.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I understood that students took to the streets again in Iran this week. Thinking of you.
    not only the students, but also normal people. that's what they're afraid of, and that's what we lacked before; the unity between intellectuals and normal people.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by youknowwho View Post
    nope, that's exactly what they want. I believe open war is the worst way of doing that. instead supporting the inside opposition is more effective and less dangerous for Iranian and Israeli people.
    support as in?

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    support as in?
    Publicizing their voices, getting their stories out, putting economic and diplomatic pressure on the Ahmadinajad regime.

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