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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Fake Conservatives (right wing authoritarians is the correct term) ALWAYS think military force on the part of the USA is valid if a "good outcome" can be argued.

    That's why they've spent Trillions in the Middle East and squandered the lives of nearly 5000 soldiers.

    Right wing pro-Israeli think tanks have pretty much taken over our foreign policy in regards to the Middle East and they control the debate.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Not to mention that Obama's foreign policy adviser Brzezinski suggests shooting down Israeli aircraft over Iraq if they try to strike at Iran.
    Advice, fact check before you post, it will save you looking stupid. Zbigniew Brzezinski, who made the comment you refer to, was an adviser to Carter, and has not been an adviser to Obama. You are getting him confused with his son Mark, who advised Obama when he was a candidate.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanaganReport View Post
    The Center for Strategic and International Studies did a study on what an Israeli strike against Iranian nuclear sites would look like. It goes through number of planes needed, routes, projected losses, flying patterns of tankers, political backlash, etc... It is worth the read.

    Some highlights:



    Certainly we can debate the points, but it sets up a good foundation to understand the complexities of a large scale military operation. Read the whole study here.
    Regardless ... Iran has repeatedly violated any trust given to them, they have repeatedly lied to the IAEA, the world, anybody else who may have asked them about their nuclear program.

    Iran needs to be stopped by whatever means necessary. Diplomacy with the lying sacks of pig feces that run Iran have failed. What do you think should happen next?

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Regardless ... Iran has repeatedly violated any trust given to them, they have repeatedly lied to the IAEA, the world, anybody else who may have asked them about their nuclear program.

    Iran needs to be stopped by whatever means necessary. Diplomacy with the lying sacks of pig feces that run Iran have failed. What do you think should happen next?
    Personally, I would continue to build concensus around the world that Iran is indeed a threat.

    I would go to the Security Council and seek to classify the Iranian program as a "threat to international peace and security." (That exact wording is very important)

    I would then make an attempt to establish ties with, and arm, Iranian dissident groups to openly revolt. At the same time, continue to implement medium and short range missile defense into Europe. If that fails (and it would be hard to accomplish) then I would start to make the preparations for an airstrike.

    I agree that Iran cannot be allowed to possess a weapon, but until airstrikes are the least bad option, I would not give the go ahead for them.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanaganReport View Post
    Personally, I would continue to build concensus around the world that Iran is indeed a threat.

    I would go to the Security Council and seek to classify the Iranian program as a "threat to international peace and security." (That exact wording is very important)

    I would then make an attempt to establish ties with, and arm, Iranian dissident groups to openly revolt. At the same time, continue to implement medium and short range missile defense into Europe. If that fails (and it would be hard to accomplish) then I would start to make the preparations for an airstrike.

    I agree that Iran cannot be allowed to possess a weapon, but until airstrikes are the least bad option, I would not give the go ahead for them.
    Good plan. I like it and it will work; however, such a plan of action will not prevent Israel from striking Iran. Israel will never allow Iran to become a serious threat.

    I like the idea of arming disident groups. I would like to see the Iranian Republican Guard eliminated. In any event, your reasoning is sound and your strategy effective.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanaganReport View Post
    I would go to the Security Council and seek to classify the Iranian program as a "threat to international peace and security." (That exact wording is very important)
    While I agree with you here, I'm not confidant the UN can handle this issue, in fact, I know they cannot. But, it would force the other nations to go on record and I agree again, the wording so important.

    I would then make an attempt to establish ties with, and arm, Iranian dissident groups to openly revolt. At the same time, continue to implement medium and short range missile defense into Europe. If that fails (and it would be hard to accomplish) then I would start to make the preparations for an airstrike.
    The airstrike your only option, really. Obama will not foment open revolt in Iran, he clearly already had that chance.

    I agree that Iran cannot be allowed to possess a weapon, but until airstrikes are the least bad option, I would not give the go ahead for them.
    But, an Osirak, Iraq type strike would and could be very effective...and it sends an absolute definitive message to Iran. If you build it, we will come.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Good plan. I like it and it will work; however, such a plan of action will not prevent Israel from striking Iran. Israel will never allow Iran to become a serious threat.

    I like the idea of arming disident groups. I would like to see the Iranian Republican Guard eliminated. In any event, your reasoning is sound and your strategy effective.
    Thanks, I would say this in regards to Israel though. I think that United States can prevent them from striking just by saying so. Remember, they asked Bush if they could attack and he said no. Israel certainly does not want to see a nuclear Iran, but at the same time they do not want to upset the United States, and a strike would almost certainly have backlash directly against American forces in the region.

    I think that until it is absolutely critical that sites be hit, Israel can be persuaded to stand down simply by telling them to do so. I am not sure we have reached that point yet, but we will before to long no doubt.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    While I agree with you here, I'm not confidant the UN can handle this issue, in fact, I know they cannot. But, it would force the other nations to go on record and I agree again, the wording so important.
    Well, really, a mandate from the Security Council (which would come from classifying it as a "threat to international peace and security") would be all we needed from the UN.

    I think that wording, followed by actual sanctions could have a real effect, but if it is not done properly, you are correct, it would simply be a waste of time.

    The airstrike your only option, really. Obama will not foment open revolt in Iran, he clearly already had that chance.
    Well, the end result of an airstrike is not really a good option in my view, so I would rather have that as a last resort.

    Perhaps not even foment a revolt so much as convince dissident groups to hit nuclear sites themselves.

    But, an Osirak, Iraq type strike would and could be very effective...and it sends an absolute definitive message to Iran. If you build it, we will come.
    This would be much harder to carry out in Iran for numerous reasons in my opinion and might result in the opposite effect that we intended.

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