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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    I don't think that even the Mullah Hulllahs of Iraniya are stupid enough to actually attack anyone themselves. What scares me is that they would give or sell nuclear devices to the whackiest of the whacks aka Al Queda !!
    people said that about Hitler, too. Look how that turned out. When it comes to psycho, ass hat dictatorships, nothing surprises me.

    Even if they're not that stupid, prudence dictates that we should assume that they are.

    We very well may have to perform some surgical strikes oursleves. We have that capability. That would not stop the Mullah Hulllahs and their puppy pig Archimedijan or however he spell his names but that would delay the monsters for a long time. The backlash is that the moderates of Iran would move back under the Mullah Hulllahs when we attack them.

    Either we fight a total war, or we don't bother with it. I'm tired of all this policeing BS. Either we declare war and roll in killing every living thing, or we leave them alone.
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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Iran has been saying it for years: "The Great Satan and the Little Satan are going to be destroyed." They've been showing us their missles. They've played hide and seek with the IAEA for years, many people said oh there's nothing to worry about, now we've heard about a hidden underground site the IAEA never knew about.

    If Israel doesn't act, it looks like we're just going to keep dorking around and whining...then when a mushroom cloud appears over some city in Israel, Europe or maybe even the USA people will look shocked and say "whoodathunkit??"

    I am disgusted.
    They will not do it themselves they know that would be suicide. They do not have the capability to strike us directly.
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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    people said that about Hitler, too. Look how that turned out. When it comes to psycho, ass hat dictatorships, nothing surprises me.

    Even if they're not that stupid, prudence dictates that we should assume that they are.

    Either we fight a total war, or we don't bother with it. I'm tired of all this policeing BS. Either we declare war and roll in killing every living thing, or we leave them alone.
    Do not understand that we do not have the capability at this to "roll in killing every living thing". Yes that would get their attention but it is not feasible at this time.
    I do not recall the Viet Cong asking me if I was a natural born or Naturalized American before they shot at me, they just shot at all of us f107HyperSabr

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    They will not do it themselves they know that would be suicide. They do not have the capability to strike us directly.
    Beg to differ sir. There has been talk in the intel community about Iranian cargo vessels with hidden missle launchers, firing same from near the coast of CONUS. And if we dork around long enough, they'll have ICBM's and nukes small enough to fit on them.

    As for how they would not dare, it would be suicide...well some of them don't seem to care about that:

    As Iran rushes towards confrontation with the world over its nuclear programme, the question uppermost in the mind of western leaders is "What is moving its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to such recklessness?"

    Political analysts point to the fact that Iran feels strong because of high oil prices, while America has been weakened by the insurgency in Iraq.


    But listen carefully to the utterances of Mr Ahmadinejad - recently described by President George W Bush as an "odd man" - and there is another dimension, a religious messianism that, some suspect, is giving the Iranian leader a dangerous sense of divine mission.

    In November, the country was startled by a video showing Mr Ahmadinejad telling a cleric that he had felt the hand of God entrancing world leaders as he delivered a speech to the UN General Assembly last September.

    When an aircraft crashed in Teheran last month, killing 108 people, Mr Ahmadinejad promised an investigation. But he also thanked the dead, saying: "What is important is that they have shown the way to martyrdom which we must follow."

    The most remarkable aspect of Mr Ahmadinejad's piety is his devotion to the Hidden Imam, the Messiah-like figure of Shia Islam, and the president's belief that his government must prepare the country for his return.

    One of the first acts of Mr Ahmadinejad's government was to donate about 10 million to the Jamkaran mosque, a popular pilgrimage site where the pious come to drop messages to the Hidden Imam into a holy well.

    All streams of Islam believe in a divine saviour, known as the Mahdi, who will appear at the End of Days. A common rumour - denied by the government but widely believed - is that Mr Ahmadinejad and his cabinet have signed a "contract" pledging themselves to work for the return of the Mahdi and sent it to Jamkaran.
    Iran's dominant "Twelver" sect believes this will be Mohammed ibn Hasan, regarded as the 12th Imam, or righteous descendant of the Prophet Mohammad.

    He is said to have gone into "occlusion" in the ninth century, at the age of five. His return will be preceded by cosmic chaos, war and bloodshed. After a cataclysmic confrontation with evil and darkness, the Mahdi will lead the world to an era of universal peace.

    This is similar to the Christian vision of the Apocalypse. Indeed, the Hidden Imam is expected to return in the company of Jesus.

    Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events are close at hand and that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable.

    The prospect of such a man obtaining nuclear weapons is worrying. The unspoken question is this: is Mr Ahmadinejad now tempting a clash with the West because he feels safe in the belief of the imminent return of the Hidden Imam? Worse, might he be trying to provoke chaos in the hope of hastening his reappearance?
    The 49-year-old Mr Ahmadinejad, a former top engineering student, member of the Revolutionary Guards and mayor of Teheran, overturned Iranian politics after unexpectedly winning last June's presidential elections.

    The main rift is no longer between "reformists" and "hardliners", but between the clerical establishment and Mr Ahmadinejad's brand of revolutionary populism and superstition.

    Its most remarkable manifestation came with Mr Ahmadinejad's international debut, his speech to the United Nations.

    World leaders had expected a conciliatory proposal to defuse the nuclear crisis after Teheran had restarted another part of its nuclear programme in August.

    Instead, they heard the president speak in apocalyptic terms of Iran struggling against an evil West that sought to promote "state terrorism", impose "the logic of the dark ages" and divide the world into "light and dark countries".

    The speech ended with the messianic appeal to God to "hasten the emergence of your last repository, the Promised One, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace".

    In a video distributed by an Iranian web site in November, Mr Ahmadinejad described how one of his Iranian colleagues had claimed to have seen a glow of light around the president as he began his speech to the UN.

    "I felt it myself too," Mr Ahmadinejad recounts. "I felt that all of a sudden the atmosphere changed there. And for 27-28 minutes all the leaders did not blink…It's not an exaggeration, because I was looking.

    "They were astonished, as if a hand held them there and made them sit. It had opened their eyes and ears for the message of the Islamic Republic."

    Western officials said the real reason for any open-eyed stares from delegates was that "they couldn't believe what they were hearing from Ahmadinejad".

    Their sneaking suspicion is that Iran's president actually relishes a clash with the West in the conviction that it would rekindle the spirit of the Islamic revolution and - who knows - speed up the arrival of the Hidden Imam.
    'Divine mission' driving Iran's new leader - Telegraph

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that Israel is dying and that its 60th anniversary celebrations are an attempt to prevent its "annihilation."
    He spoke hours after President Bush arrived in Israel for the anniversary celebrations.

    "The Zionist (Israeli) regime is dying," said Ahmadinejad during a speech in northern Iran. "The criminals assume that by holding celebrations ... they can save the sinister Zionist regime from death and annihilation."

    Ahmadinejad used an Arabic word, ismihlal, that can also be translated as destruction, death and collapse.

    Iran doesn't recognize Israel, and Ahmadinejad has repeatedly called for Israel's destruction. Threatening exchanges between Iran and Israel have intensified since 2005, when Ahmadinejad said in a speech that Israel will one day be "wiped off the map." The Iranian leader has also described the Holocaust as a "myth."

    "Nations of the region hate this criminal fabricated regime (Israel) and will uproot this fabricated regime if the smallest and shortest opportunity is given to them," Ahmadinejad said Wednesday in an address broadcast live on state television.

    Israel considers Iran a serious threat because of its support for Hamas and Hezbollah militants, its nuclear program and its arsenal of long-range missiles, which can be fitted with nuclear warheads and are capable of striking the Jewish state.

    Tehran is equipped with Shahab-3 missiles, which have a range of up to 1,250 miles. Israel is about 625 miles west of Iran.

    Ahmadinejad says Israel doomed - USATODAY.com


    Some people need to realize that the leadership of Iran is not composed of rational Western materialists, who contemplate profit/loss before every move, but to a large degree is peopled by religious fanatics, some of whom have stated that it wouldn't matter if every man woman and child in Iran died in some global nuclear holocaust, if that brought on the return of the 12th Imam.

    MAD (mutually assured destruction) counted on the rationality of both sides in the conflict...

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Those of us aware of such matters realize that there is currently a Middle East state in possession of a concealed nuclear arsenal not subject to international inspection that deliberately hid the nature of its nuclear program from U.S. inspectors at the time of the development of its arsenal. The president of that country has threatened that another Middle East state could be "wiped off the map." Perhaps Iranian development of a weapons program could prevent the political regime of that state from launching one of their typically invasive campaigns of aggression.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Do not understand that we do not have the capability at this to "roll in killing every living thing". Yes that would get their attention but it is not feasible at this time.
    Well, actually we do. It would much easier to roll in killing every living thing than it would to conduct a namby-pamby, "let's don't piss anyone off", war. We have troops in theater. Think of all the fuel we save by already have the ability to present to two fronts to the Iranians.
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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    MAD (mutually assured destruction) counted on the rationality of both sides in the conflict...

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    Man, Goshin, you sure have a way of making the exact same points I would make on lots of things.

    I can still remember an argument I had in a political science class almost 40 years ago to exactly that effect.
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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    No one who's rationally considered the nature of Iranian politics believes that there will be a lack of consideration of mutually assured destruction because the religious fundamentalism of the Iranian regime transforms them into fervently irrational martyrs who will seek to destroy all at all costs. Such religious elements as were mentioned influence the Iranian regime, just as evangelical Christians who believe that tumult in the Middle East is a sign of the approaching Rapture and Great Tribulation influenced the Bush regime without that administration actually provoking a nuclear conflict. To claim that Ahmadinejad and Co. are akin to crazed suicide bombers is frankly a buffoonish statement that fails to accurately consider the nature of that administration.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    No one who's rationally considered the nature of Iranian politics believes that there will be a lack of consideration of mutually assured destruction because the religious fundamentalism of the Iranian regime transforms them into fervently irrational martyrs who will seek to destroy all at all costs. Such religious elements as were mentioned influence the Iranian regime, just as evangelical Christians who believe that tumult in the Middle East is a sign of the approaching Rapture and Great Tribulation influenced the Bush regime without that administration actually provoking a nuclear conflict. To claim that Ahmadinejad and Co. are akin to crazed suicide bombers is frankly a buffoonish statement that fails to accurately consider the nature of that administration.
    Welll look at their allies. Hassan Nazrallah said on live telivison that he thanked god that his son had been martyed. These arent the kind of people ild like to trust with nukes.

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    Re: Iran test-fires missiles amid nuclear tension

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanaganReport View Post
    Nothing really. Most likely Iran has done this for its domestic audience. Also, from a practical standpoint, I have seen rumors that these missiles were modified to make them more mobile and easier to use in short range engagements. So, if they are fearing some kind of strike, making their missiles more mobile gives them some advantage.
    first of all, it's "regime" not Iran, since the election, they don't represent Iran. second, they have no domestic audience. the regime is unstable enough that will get toppled in a year or two. and that's why I'm scared, 'cause I know that they will go for a suicide mission before falling, and I believe Israelis should be scared too.

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