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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I think students should have more flexible curriculums and graduation standards. We should place emphasis on identifying and maximizing a student's strengths, and directing them towards a specialized education instead of trying to apply a one-sized fits all approach to a diverse body of individuals.

    Not everyone needs to know how to factor a polynomial or balance a chemical equation. Maybe we should just teach them how to install a sink or replace a engine piston instead.
    I find these remarks stunning. High School wasn't intended to be a trade school and the notion that we can identify what interests a high school student or identify their strengths and direct them to an appropriate trade looks more like Communism than free market.

    The problems with our schools these days is that they are now graduating students who have about a 6th grade reading and math level, ZERO knowledge of economics and most couldn't describe how our Government works or where Texas is on a map. They attempt to do what you are suggesting, adjusting the curriculum for the lowest common denominator to ensure that they will not have to deal with failing students after hours or next semester.

    I have yet to see a class size that would permit a teacher to actually care about those students who require their attention and/or a teacher who was willing to spend the additional after hours necessary to ensure that students LEARN and can PASS the subject matter.

    I have to BEG teachers to contact me and talk about my kids needs and post their progress online so that I can see that they are getting the required work done in a timely manner.

    Too often, parents find out AFTER the fact that their kids are failing a subject and not turning in the required work. Yes there are parents who are not doing their part, but it starts with timely information FROM the school about their progress, class sizes that are consistent with a learning environment and teachers who actually want to teach and not just get a paycheck.

    This nation has failed miserably in public education and then when parents demand the option to get their tax money back and ability to send their children to schools that may actually teach their kids they are met with obfuscation, roadblocks and politicians who declare that vouchers are NOT an option.

    In my opinion, the school systems in the US are infested with the same UNION mentality that are destroying our manufacturing industries and having the same results.

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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

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    I finally get a hot topic thread, and what do i go and do
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    THAT is kinda funny; and what did you do to get the suspension? Did you go an hurt someone's feelings again?

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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

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    THAT is kinda funny; and what did you do to get the suspension? Did you go an hurt someone's feelings again?
    that HNIC crack in the menthol thread

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

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    that HNIC crack in the menthol thread
    Thanks to Urban Dictionary, I answered my own question.
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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

    before you wind up there again.

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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, I hear the engineering guys are getting hit pretty hard. My advice would be to work for free in your spare time. You'll pick up experience and if a spot opens you'll be the most likely person to get it. It's tough, but that's the best way in for young people in certain proffessions.
    This is a surprise to me, as I thought engineering was the one area where they still desperately needed people. I know that my dad's plant upstate was always having a hard time finding fresh college grads.

    I think students should have more flexible curriculums and graduation standards. We should place emphasis on identifying and maximizing a student's strengths, and directing them towards a specialized education instead of trying to apply a one-sized fits all approach to a diverse body of individuals.

    Not everyone needs to know how to factor a polynomial or balance a chemical equation. Maybe we should just teach them how to install a sink or replace a engine piston instead.
    Exactly right.

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    In the US, this is false; according to the recent 2008 census data only 29% of all adults 25 and older had a four year degree. The good news is that 87% at least graduated from high school; however, the notion that they received an education worthy of helping them in the real world is subject to much debate.
    This number is drastically skewed by the old people included in "25 and older" and by the fact that it only looks at 4 year degrees. If you just look at people going to school nowadays, it's much higher.

    In October 2008, 68.6 percent of 2008 high school graduates were enrolled in colleges or universities, according to data released today by
    the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor.
    College Enrollment and Work Activity of 2008 High School Graduates

    Among high school graduates, it really is the norm to attend college.
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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I find these remarks stunning. High School wasn't intended to be a trade school and the notion that we can identify what interests a high school student or identify their strengths and direct them to an appropriate trade looks more like Communism than free market.
    I never suggested that we turn high-schools into trade schools, nor did I imply that students and parents wouldn't ultimately decide what classes or trades they want to take.

    I simply want to afford students and parents more options. I don't think students should have mandatory math/science classes in high-school; some people just can't do it; more importantly, 99% of people never use it later on in life.

    The problems with our schools these days is that they are now graduating students who have about a 6th grade reading and math level, ZERO knowledge of economics and most couldn't describe how our Government works or where Texas is on a map. They attempt to do what you are suggesting, adjusting the curriculum for the lowest common denominator to ensure that they will not have to deal with failing students after hours or next semester.
    These are basic concepts that should be solidified by the time a student leaves eighth grade. I firmly believe that all students should have a solid understanding of the basics, but nobody NEEDS to take high-school geometry or chemistry. Measure their aptitude, and allow them to take more specialized classes instead of forcing them to fail at classes they don't want or need.

    I have yet to see a class size that would permit a teacher to actually care about those students who require their attention and/or a teacher who was willing to spend the additional after hours necessary to ensure that students LEARN and can PASS the subject matter.

    I have to BEG teachers to contact me and talk about my kids needs and post their progress online so that I can see that they are getting the required work done in a timely manner.

    Too often, parents find out AFTER the fact that their kids are failing a subject and not turning in the required work. Yes there are parents who are not doing their part, but it starts with timely information FROM the school about their progress, class sizes that are consistent with a learning environment and teachers who actually want to teach and not just get a paycheck.

    This nation has failed miserably in public education and then when parents demand the option to get their tax money back and ability to send their children to schools that may actually teach their kids they are met with obfuscation, roadblocks and politicians who declare that vouchers are NOT an option.

    In my opinion, the school systems in the US are infested with the same UNION mentality that are destroying our manufacturing industries and having the same results.
    I agree. That's why I'm advocating a more "liberal" approach to education. I think the rigidity of our education system literally forces certain students into failure and mediocrity.

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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This is a surprise to me, as I thought engineering was the one area where they still desperately needed people. I know that my dad's plant upstate was always having a hard time finding fresh college grads.
    You're probably right. I've just heard some stories about engineers working in coffee shops or going overseas in order to find work. Anecdotal stuff.

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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

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    I find these remarks stunning. High School wasn't intended to be a trade school and the notion that we can identify what interests a high school student or identify their strengths and direct them to an appropriate trade looks more like Communism than free market.
    At my high school, there was a program for students grades 9-12 who didn't like regular school and wanted to practice a trade. They spent half the day at school with us, getting the basics, and the second half at another facility where they took more technical classes. I think it was a great idea, and I'm not sure how that's communism.
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    Re: The dead end kids: Young, unemployed and facing tough future

    Want to know whats wrong with this country? Republicans' they have ruined this country forever. And this all republican crap, "if you can't get a job, join the military for a paycheck" is bs. The military is not a solution, and never will be. The government needs to downsize, republicans and democrats are responsible for the size of the government. Its so big it has ruined this country and made it impossible to live in. I'd leave, trust me, I will once I am done with school. The size of the government doesn't make this country safer, it makes it more dangerous but republicans & democrats will never understand that. But I see what is wrong with people in this thread, both sides like to point the finger at the opposite side. Try working together, using your heads everynow and then doesn't hurt.
    And I have been one of those kids who has been working since 12. Sine 12 I have been mowing lawn, shoveling snow, plumbing, etc.

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