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    Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    Justice Secretary Jack Straw has said he has agreed to take part in a debate alongside the British National Party on the BBC's Question Time programme.

    Speaking on the Politics Show in the North West, Mr Straw said he would join a panel which will include BNP leader Nick Griffin, the Tories and Lib Dems.

    He said the BNP were defeated when Labour "fought them hard".

    Labour does not share a platform with the party normally but said it would take on the its "disgusting politics".

    Very interesting I see as usual the Labour are being idiots in this. If you wish to prove how much the BNP is or isn't a race party wouldn't you take part in any debate you can engage them in. Especially on the largest and most watch political show in England or is the Labour Party cowards. At least the Tories and Lib Dems have no problem with taking the BNP on and Labour wonders why they keep lossing.
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    Re: Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    Can't wait for this Question Time. Two weeks from now.

    Me thinks Nick is going to get a unsympathetic audience.


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    Re: Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Can't wait for this Question Time. Two weeks from now.

    Me thinks Nick is going to get a unsympathetic audience.
    He may or may not it depends on how well he sounda and does plus really Labour needs to come out swigging in this one. The Tories have the upper hand on any debate with the BNP because they are one of the few groups who have engaged them in debate from the get go.

    I will agree it shall be fun to watch.

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    Re: Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    He may or may not it depends on how well he sounda and does plus really Labour needs to come out swigging in this one. The Tories have the upper hand on any debate with the BNP because they are one of the few groups who have engaged them in debate from the get go.

    I will agree it shall be fun to watch.
    BNP rarely get a sympathetic hearing but the people i feel most sorry are for his poor constituents. Imagine being a ethnic minority and having Nick representing you, how are people meant to approach him.

    Ian Hislop is due to be on as well! So it will be entertaining this season.
    Labour made a mistake of talking up BNP and shying away from debate. Nice to see common sense has arrived.


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    Re: Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    pffft

    thought this was about the Bare Knuckled Pundit

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    Re: Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    BNP rarely get a sympathetic hearing but the people i feel most sorry are for his poor constituents. Imagine being a ethnic minority and having Nick representing you, how are people meant to approach him.

    Ian Hislop is due to be on as well! So it will be entertaining this season.
    Labour made a mistake of talking up BNP and shying away from debate. Nice to see common sense has arrived.
    It could only be better if Ian Hislop and Nick Griffin were on at the same time, he,ld be eaten alive. I,ve been hoping for something like this to happen for ages, all thats needed to remove the BNPs (somewhat flimsy) facade of respectability is a bit of public scrutiny. Shame I wont be in the country to see it

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    Re: Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    It could only be better if Ian Hislop and Nick Griffin were on at the same time, he,ld be eaten alive. I,ve been hoping for something like this to happen for ages, all thats needed to remove the BNPs (somewhat flimsy) facade of respectability is a bit of public scrutiny. Shame I wont be in the country to see it
    No worries, i'm sure it will be on the ondemand or previous episodes page ... or youtube =P

    I thought they were going to be together o.O
    It makes sense Nick goes on when they host in Manchester seeing up North is where his constituents lies and we already know Hislop will be on Manchester one as David already stated it on the show.


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    I don't think it would be a good idea to have Ian on with Nick yes he would roast Nick but that would/could fall into the whole BNP of see were being attack for are beliefs with out given a real chance to explain are positions.

    With mr. Frost on this should be more then enogh to destroy Nick along with who every Tories put on the show. I still can't beleive that Labour is still whinning about the fact that the BBC is allowing Nick to be on.

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    Re: Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    It could only be better if Ian Hislop and Nick Griffin were on at the same time, he,ld be eaten alive. I,ve been hoping for something like this to happen for ages, all thats needed to remove the BNPs (somewhat flimsy) facade of respectability is a bit of public scrutiny. Shame I wont be in the country to see it
    This will not happen. Nick Griffin is a perfectly capable orator. In a format like question time he will make populist points about the EU, immigration and Islam, these will be met with raucous cheers by some and angry booing by others. No serious debate will occur as the other panelists will be just as keen to make their own populist points, in the other direction. In the end people will leave with their own opinions further entrenched and the BNP will have even more publicity.

    The BBC are supposed to be acting in the public interest, dragging political debate down to the level is a million miles from that. What next, have a showdown between Griffin and that one armed Abu Hamsa fellow? If the idea is to "give everyone a voice", why not?
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    Re: Straw joins debate alongside BNP

    Quote Originally Posted by Slainte View Post
    This will not happen. Nick Griffin is a perfectly capable orator. In a format like question time he will make populist points about the EU, immigration and Islam, these will be met with raucous cheers by some and angry booing by others. No serious debate will occur as the other panelists will be just as keen to make their own populist points, in the other direction. In the end people will leave with their own opinions further entrenched and the BNP will have even more publicity.

    The BBC are supposed to be acting in the public interest, dragging political debate down to the level is a million miles from that. What next, have a showdown between Griffin and that one armed Abu Hamsa fellow? If the idea is to "give everyone a voice", why not?
    I think just asking him about his involvement in the national front, his parties links with violent gangs/individuals, and the record of some of his councillors would be a step in the right direction given that most of those voting for the BNP dont actually know about these things. Most BNP voters are causual racists/xenophobes or just people who vote spitefully and wouldnt be confortable voting for a traditional facist party if the BNP marketed itself as such. This is why it pretends to be respectable.

    One such example is the way Nick Griffin claimed in his post-election speach that the BNP had not problem with imigrants as long as they came "to work and contribute" Anyone who has the faintest idea about the history of the party knows this is an outright lie but many people dont know this because the BNP is never placed under scrutiny.

    I think surpressing the BNP just allows them to carry on with this silenced majority/politcal correctness eroding our civil liberties, crap.

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