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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Mika-El View Post
    What makes it even more repulsive is the mother of the girl knew she was given drugs and turned into a zombie and let her be served up to him for a **** because she was a stage mother thinking it would open doors for her.

    Polanski is a sick man. So is this evil mother.
    The story I just read told a completely different version of the story with regard to the Mom. She is the one who contacted the police after the girl returned home and told her Mom what had happened.

    Justice for Polanski - The Daily Beast

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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That said, a pedophile is an individual who experiences prolonged sexual attraction to prepubescent children; it's a misapplication of clinical terminology to describe Polanski as one.
    Pedophile
    –noun Psychiatry.
    an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

    Pedophile Definition | Definition of Pedophile at Dictionary.com

    He had sex with a 13 year old girl... I dunno, sounds like a pedophile.
    Perhaps you could give me a link to the source you were basing your claim on?
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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Perhaps you've heard of a little APA-published manual known as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, dear fellow? Pedophilia is classified as a mental illness and paraphilia that involves prolonged sexual attraction to prepubescent children of either sex characterized by intense and recurring fantasies and possible action on that attraction, though that's not a necessary condition. Though the unethical nature of Mr. Polanski's actions isn't disputed, the misapplication of clinical terminology is.

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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Perhaps you've heard of a little APA-published manual known as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, dear fellow? Pedophilia is classified as a mental illness and paraphilia that involves prolonged sexual attraction to prepubescent children of either sex characterized by intense and recurring fantasies and possible action on that attraction, though that's not a necessary condition. Though the unethical nature of Mr. Polanski's actions isn't disputed, the misapplication of clinical terminology is.
    Well let's check what other sources have to say on this:
    Pedophilia:

    This disorder is characterized by either intense sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child (typically age 13 or younger). To be considered for this diagnosis, the individual must be at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child.
    Pedophilia in Paraphilias and Sexual Disorders at ALLPSYCH Online

    Under this definition, Polanski can definitely be labeled as a pedophile.
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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Under this definition, Polanski can definitely be labeled as a pedophile.
    He cannot. Firstly, the age of 13 mentioned there is not a precise rule, but is merely a generalization. Sexual attraction to a biological adult female who was 13 years old would not constitute "pedophilia," for example, and would constitute hebephilia (a sexual attraction to pubescent individuals between childhood and adolescence), ephebophilia (a sexual attraction to adolescents), or mere heterosexuality. Secondly, a sexual interaction with a prepubescent child is not sufficient to establish one as a pedophile since one can be a situational offender that does not meet actual diagnostic criteria, to say nothing of a sexual interaction with an adolescent as was the case here.

    What you've of course ignored is that that isn't another source; that's from DSM-IV.

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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    He cannot. Firstly, the age of 13 mentioned there is not a precise rule, but is merely a generalization. Sexual attraction to a biological adult female who was 13 years old would not constitute "pedophilia," for example, and would constitute hebephilia (a sexual attraction to pubescent individuals between childhood and adolescence), ephebophilia (a sexual attraction to adolescents), or mere heterosexuality. Secondly, a sexual interaction with a prepubescent child is not sufficient to establish one as a pedophile since one can be a situational offender that does not meet actual diagnostic criteria, to say nothing of a sexual interaction with an adolescent as was the case here.
    1) Then you would agree with me that in the case where the 13 years old is not a biological adult, it is indeed, pedophilia?
    2) So are you saying that if an adult rapes a child only one time, he is not a pedophile?
    Where was this being said?
    What you've of course ignored is that that isn't another source; that's from DSM-IV.
    Well I'll be damned, I honestly didn't notice.
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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    1) Then you would agree with me that in the case where the 13 years old is not a biological adult, it is indeed, pedophilia?
    Possibly, though the exceptions that I mentioned of course apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    2) So are you saying that if an adult rapes a child only one time, he is not a pedophile?
    Where was this being said?
    Your mind is riddled with confusions. Pedophilia is a mental illness, and does not involve or necessitate any specific action. One can of course be a pedophile without having committed any illegalities, and many situational offenders who do not meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Well I'll be damned, I honestly didn't notice.
    That doesn't surprise me.

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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Your mind is riddled with confusions. Pedophilia is a mental illness, and does not involve or necessitate any specific action. One can of course be a pedophile without having committed any illegalities, and many situational offenders who do not meet the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia exist.
    And I haven't suggested otherwise.
    One could say however that when a person rapes a child he does it out of a sexual attraction towards the child, and hence, he has the mental disorder known as pedophilia.
    That doesn't surprise me.
    Neither does your response surprise me.
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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    One could say however that when a person rapes a child he does it out of a sexual attraction towards the child, and hence, he has the mental disorder known as pedophilia.
    One could, but it's not sufficient evidence that he meets diagnostic criteria for it, just as prison rapists are usually not homosexuals. In the case of Polanski, there's no basis for even starting down that road. Try again.

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    Re: Roman Polanski detained in Zurich

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    One could, but it's not sufficient evidence that he meets diagnostic criteria for it, just as prison rapists are usually not homosexuals. In the case of Polanski, there's no basis for even starting down that road. Try again.
    The basis to start down that road is the rape of a 13 year old girl, so your claim that there is no basis at all is quite bizarre.
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