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    Re: GOP to block health nominees in Medicare spat

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Both parties have put holds, no doubt. However the claim that this is nothing new is false. The level of filibusters since the Republicans lost the majority is at unprecedented levels.
    I would be interested in seeing a graph of filibuster activity if one exists.

    Block, hold, filibuster, obstruct. That is the minority party of today. They have earned the nickname party of no, and they are continuing it with blocking nominations for reasons having nothing to do with the nominees.
    Well, I grew up in a political climate and family, so perhaps I just view that as "the manner in which politics works."

    If they have a problem or an issue, they should stand up and debate on that issue. Instead, they obstruct.
    Well, with such a minority, perhaps the view is the only way they can orchestrate a serious debate is to conduct actions like delaying a nomination etc.

    ps, the last comment about Republicans in Congress being taken seriously - the problem is, they aren't. The perception of Republicans is Congress is at all-time lows in polling. They only hurt themselves further with the more of the same nonsense.
    Well, the perception of Congress in general is at an all time low, so I am not sure we can really drawn conclusions based on that alone. That said, we certainly live in a partisan time, but it is nothing like it has been in the past, with brawls on the House floor, and beatings on the Senate floor.

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    Re: GOP to block health nominees in Medicare spat

    Quote Originally Posted by FlanaganReport View Post
    I would be interested in seeing a graph of filibuster activity if one exists.

    Well, I grew up in a political climate and family, so perhaps I just view that as "the manner in which politics works."

    Well, with such a minority, perhaps the view is the only way they can orchestrate a serious debate is to conduct actions like delaying a nomination etc.

    Well, the perception of Congress in general is at an all time low, so I am not sure we can really drawn conclusions based on that alone. That said, we certainly live in a partisan time, but it is nothing like it has been in the past, with brawls on the House floor, and beatings on the Senate floor.

    I will look for a filibuster chart for you. I've seen them, going only up to 2008, IIRC.

    The comment re: Republicans in Congress are based on polling comparing Congressional Republicans specifically, not Congress in general.

    And, pure obstructionism isn't the typical manner of a minority party conducting themselves. What is typical is loyal opposition, not obstructionism.

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    Re: GOP to block health nominees in Medicare spat

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I will look for a filibuster chart for you. I've seen them, going only up to 2008, IIRC.

    The comment re: Republicans in Congress are based on polling comparing Congressional Republicans specifically, not Congress in general.

    And, pure obstructionism isn't the typical manner of a minority party conducting themselves. What is typical is loyal opposition, not obstructionism.

    Filibuster chart:




    The Real Story of the 110th Congress: The Right-Wing Block-And-Blame Game | OurFuture.org


    There are other ones at this google link:
    Google


    Interestingly, at the google search, I found a blurb about a chart from 2005 rebutting Republican complaints of obstructionism regarding blocking nominees. At the time the blurb was written, twenty-six of the blocked noms (which was over 75% of them !) were initiated by Republicans.

    Seems to me even more than 26 noms have been blocked by GOPers this year. They are taking their own over-reaching to new heights, if the data from the blurb is correct. I cannot verify it b/c all the links go to dead pages. (It was the first link on the Google search, in case you're interested.)

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    Re: GOP to block health nominees in Medicare spat

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Fascinating. Another strong conservative/republican argument in favor of obstructing. Or, perhaps, not fascinating at all.
    ....versus another Liberal hypocritical attempt to justify unconstitutional actions by a Government spiraling out of control.

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    Re: GOP to block health nominees in Medicare spat

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Filibuster chart:




    The Real Story of the 110th Congress: The Right-Wing Block-And-Blame Game | OurFuture.org


    There are other ones at this google link:
    Google


    Interestingly, at the google search, I found a blurb about a chart from 2005 rebutting Republican complaints of obstructionism regarding blocking nominees. At the time the blurb was written, twenty-six of the blocked noms (which was over 75% of them !) were initiated by Republicans.

    Seems to me even more than 26 noms have been blocked by GOPers this year. They are taking their own over-reaching to new heights, if the data from the blurb is correct. I cannot verify it b/c all the links go to dead pages. (It was the first link on the Google search, in case you're interested.)
    I appreciate the links.

    I wonder if this chart accounts for things like a filibuster on the motion to proceed to the measure’s consideration, a filibuster on the measure itself, which would make two cloture votes on one issue, which could possibly inflate the numbers.

    Also, given that cloture votes are unlikely to really fail, the increase in cloture votes in a Senate that was split more or less 50-50, it might actually speak more to bipartisanship than it does to partisanship. Just a thought.

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    Re: GOP to block health nominees in Medicare spat

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    GOP to block health nominees in Medicare spat - Yahoo! News

    This is quite unconstitutional to issue gag orders for no other reason than to deter dissent over bills.

    How authoritarian of them.
    Let me get this straight... it is 'authoritarian' of the Republicans to use common rules to put pressure on the Dems to stop limiting what the companies can say? Really?

    That's just bassackwards.

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