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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    If Iran is indeed building nukes, it is to assure its long term sovereignty. The Western media selectively takes what its leaders say about Israel and apply the pretext that the nukes will be automatically used for war, but I seriously doubt this.

    Its government is engaged in the 5 Year Plan which involves huge infrastructure projects within the country. There aren't signs of a huge military investment on a scale that would indicate a nation out for blood. Why invest so much into the domestic realm if the eventual goal is to just attack another country? Too many people envision Iran as just some place in the desert.

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    All of this rambling about the threat of nuclear holocaust is based largely in fear and ignorance. Few seem to know a damn thing about Iran other than what they watch on the news. It's a country growing rapidly and wanting clean energy could simply be part of that.

    If Iran is indeed seeking nuclear deterrence, then what do you expect? All the nations around it are slowly falling under a U.S. umbrella of power. It needs to protect itself from invasion.

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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    cool, but:

    1. apologizing for persia is prodigiously problematic---politically

    2. pursing diplomacy with its potentates is preposterous

    3. the revolutionary guard test fired 2 short range missiles today, particularly provocative

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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If Iran is indeed building nukes, it is to assure its long term sovereignty. The Western media selectively takes what its leaders say about Israel and apply the pretext that the nukes will be automatically used for war, but I seriously doubt this.

    Its government is engaged in the 5 Year Plan which involves huge infrastructure projects within the country. There aren't signs of a huge military investment on a scale that would indicate a nation out for blood. Why invest so much into the domestic realm if the eventual goal is to just attack another country? Too many people envision Iran as just some place in the desert.

    The capital:
    http://iranair.it/img/tehran_azadi_new.jpg
    http://en.tehran.ir/Portals/25/Image...SanatSQ-00.jpg
    http://www.travel-earth.com/iran/tehran.jpg

    All of this rambling about the threat of nuclear holocaust is based largely in fear and ignorance. Few seem to know a damn thing about Iran other than what they watch on the news. It's a country growing rapidly and wanting clean energy could simply be part of that.

    If Iran is indeed seeking nuclear deterrence, then what do you expect? All the nations around it are slowly falling under a U.S. umbrella of power. It needs to protect itself from invasion.
    You are confusing two separate issues here.
    Nobody is attacking the Persian nation or the Persian culture, so I see no reason for you to defend it.
    The attacked entity is the Iranian government, a government neglected by the Persian nation itself, a tyrannical government that knows no limits and is not afraid to use force against its own people when they cry for their rights.

    As the world leaders said, the second Iranian nuclear facility that was revealed now clearly shows that the Iranian intent is not simply nuclear energy.
    The amount of centrifuges in this facility combined with the thousands of centrifuges already in-work at Iran is beyond mere nuclear energy.
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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If Iran is indeed building nukes, it is to assure its long term sovereignty. The Western media selectively takes what its leaders say about Israel and apply the pretext that the nukes will be automatically used for war, but I seriously doubt this.

    Its government is engaged in the 5 Year Plan which involves huge infrastructure projects within the country. There aren't signs of a huge military investment on a scale that would indicate a nation out for blood. Why invest so much into the domestic realm if the eventual goal is to just attack another country? Too many people envision Iran as just some place in the desert.

    The capital:
    http://iranair.it/img/tehran_azadi_new.jpg
    http://en.tehran.ir/Portals/25/Image...SanatSQ-00.jpg
    http://www.travel-earth.com/iran/tehran.jpg

    All of this rambling about the threat of nuclear holocaust is based largely in fear and ignorance. Few seem to know a damn thing about Iran other than what they watch on the news. It's a country growing rapidly and wanting clean energy could simply be part of that.

    If Iran is indeed seeking nuclear deterrence, then what do you expect? All the nations around it are slowly falling under a U.S. umbrella of power. It needs to protect itself from invasion.
    Whatever the reason Iran is seeking a weapon, a nuclear armed Iran is unacceptable for the United States. Why? Because Iran will start a nuclear holocaust in Israel? Probably not.

    However, a nuclear Iran will result in a wave of proliferation across the Middle East, ending with states like Egypt and Saudi Arabia possessing nuclear weapons as well. In states such as these, the presence of this amount of fissile material means that the chance that a terror group gets its hands on such material.

    I will say right now that the prospect of a nuclear armed Saudi Arabia is more frightening than a nuclear armed Iran.

    On top of all of this, Iran with a nuclear weapon will upset the entire balance of power in the Middle East (until the ensuing proliferation wave is complete) which is directly contrary to US interests in the region.

    The reason the US does not want to see Iran with a weapon is not because they think that Israel will be destroyed (although that is probably on the list somewhere) but rather it is because such an event would upset the entire balance of power in the Middle East and shift it away from a "West-Friendly" (sort of at least) to what Iran wants to make it.

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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    Perhaps an arms race wouldn't have been provoked to begin with if there wasn't a Middle East state that was in possession of an undeclared and concealed arsenal to begin with.

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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Perhaps an arms race wouldn't have been provoked to begin with if there wasn't a Middle East state that was in possession of an undeclared and concealed arsenal to begin with.
    And especially, if that same state never did exist. Right?
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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Perhaps an arms race wouldn't have been provoked to begin with if there wasn't a Middle East state that was in possession of an undeclared and concealed arsenal to begin with.
    So Iran is building them because Israel may have them? Is that your claim?
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    Some countries should be allowed t have nukes and some countries shouldn't. Iran is definitely one of the latter.
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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And especially, if that same state never did exist. Right?
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    So Iran is building them because Israel may have them? Is that your claim?
    Oh no! Has Glenn Beck been issuing contradictory talking points again?!

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    Re: Iran 'concealed nuclear facility'

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Oh no! Has Glenn Beck been issuing contradictory talking points again?!
    No, but it looks like you've been hitting KOS purdy hard all weekend.
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