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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Czars are simply advisors.....no power to do anything other than advise.

    I was MUCH more concerned with the unprecedented number of "signing statements" that our last President used, which in actuality was a much more dangerous usurption of power.

    Funny.....don't remember you expressing any concern about that.....right deflector?
    When did the topic become my concerns over Bush signing statements?

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    If the Obama administration was the first president to use czars I would be concerned. Czars have been used since at least Reagan and maybe before. This is nothing more than Republican partisan flapping of the political gums today just as it was the Democrats flapping theirs a fews years ago. !!!
    I'm probably way too late to contribute to this thread, but I found this list of czars from previously presidents on Wikipedia while researching something completely different and thought it would be interesting.

    I had never heard of a czar being used in any presidency since JFK; in fact, the first time I heard the term applied to any U.S. presidential administration was during the current one. So, you can imagine my surprise to find that not only did G.W. Bush use czars, he had the most - 46 - compared to President Obama's 35 while Clinton had 10. FDR used 19 czars while all other presidents between FDR and Clinton used between 0 to 6 czars.

    In eight years, the only czar I'd heard of under GWB was his Communications Czar, Dan Bartlett, but I never heard the term "czar" applied to him (either than or I just wasn't pay attention). But of President Obama's czars, I've heard of Van Jones (Green Jobs), Richard Holbrooke (AfPak), Ron Bloom (car/manufacturing), Herbert Allison (bank bailout/TARP), Kenneth Feinberg (pay/compensation) and Paul Volcker (economics), all within the first 10 months of his presidency.

    Again, maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention way back then, but dang!!!! Either I was way out of touch back then or else the Conservatives have been hitting hard at President Obama's aids/advisors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    ....and the unprecedented number being appointed by Obama.
    GWB = 46; BHO = 35

    I'd hardly call the president having 11 fewer czars than his predecessor "unprecedented" especially considering that GWB had the most czars in his administration since FDR.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 10-21-09 at 01:34 PM.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I'm probably way too late to contribute to this thread, but I found this list of czars from previously presidents on Wikipedia while researching something completely different and thought it would be interesting.

    I had never heard of a czar being used in any presidency since JFK; in fact, the first time I heard the term applied to any U.S. presidential administration was during the current one. So, you can imagine my surprise to find that not only did G.W. Bush use czars, he had the most - 46 - compared to President Obama's 35 while Clinton had 10. FDR used 19 czars while all other presidents between FDR and Clinton used between 0 to 6 czars.

    In eight years, the only czar I'd heard of under GWB was his Communications Czar, Dan Bartlett, but I never heard the term "czar" applied to him (either than or I just wasn't pay attention). But of President Obama's czars, I've heard of Van Jones (Green Jobs), Richard Holbrooke (AfPak), Ron Bloom (car/manufacturing), Herbert Allison (bank bailout/TARP), Kenneth Feinberg (pay/compensation) and Paul Volcker (economics), all within the first 10 months of his presidency.

    Again, maybe I just wasn't paying close enough attention way back then, but dang!!!! Either I was way out of touch back then or else the Conservatives have been hitting hard at President Obama's aids/advisors.



    GWB = 46; BHO = 35

    I'd hardly call the president having 11 fewer czars than his predecessor "unprecedented" especially considering that GWB had the most czars in his administration since FDR.
    Another thing is that there is no actual definition of what makes someone a czar. The media uses the term for certain appointed positions, but its subjective.
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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Do you remember a Bush Czar determining the pay of any American employed in private industry?
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