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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Hmmm I think some of your are missing a very big point on who put this rider onto the bill, it would be one thing if it was someone like Rep. Wilson who is a very Conserv. republic but no this was one of the very Moderate Republicans Susan Collins who also happens to be one of those republicans that the White House was hoping to help with the Health Care Bill. Unstead they have gone and made an enemy of her which iosn't a good thing for the Democrat or this White Hoiuse to do. I can tell you this the way Susan Collins goes so does Sen. Snow and allot of the other Moderate Repulicans. Not smart of this White House.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Czar's have never bothered me, and still don't. I find the selective outrage of some on the subject to be amusing.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    I don't understand what difference it will make either way? It will not stop anyone from being put in the position, and the money will still be spent.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Here the thing was rep Collins rider would have only stop any new Czars from being appointed and would require all Czars to appear before her and the Sen. Committie every quater to give an update on what they are doing and how they are spending our Tax Dollars. Also they would have to come in and be question just like all other Presidental Advisor.

    I think some of you don't understand what is going on. This is Rep. Collins you know one of the 12 who are called on when things need to be work out. Now the White House and Democratic Leadership have basically said FU Susan not smart at all.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually, many democrats DID voice concerns when Bush was in office, even if you didn't.
    If they did I don't recall it being at the fevered pitch we are now hearing from Republicans.

    I have a hard time getting worked up about this stuff. I don't trust either side that they're working in the best interest of the people, because the same people bitching about it now were supporting it just a few years ago, and vise versa. Its all "politics as usual".
    I'm not worked up about it other than the hypocrisy of just demonizing one side of the aisle where the appointments are concerned.

    There's no "Change"...not in the lofty way Obama bull****ted to everyone during the campaign.
    Although I voted for Obama and still support most of his agenda I was never under the impression he would deliver on all his campaign pledges. Granted Obama did spin a certain amount of BS into his campaign, that's to be expected. I've yet to see anyone who campaigned for president deliver as advertised on all their talking points used to sway voters. By that measure I'll agree that there wasn't much change.

    Everyone has their own perception on what they expected from Obama but I'm still confident that when the smoke clears from the tough choices he had to make from day one his "change" will show he made the right choices.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    If the Obama administration was the first president to use czars I would be concerned. Czars have been used since at least Reagan and maybe before. This is nothing more than Republican partisan flapping of the political gums today just as it was the Democrats flapping theirs a fews years ago. !!!
    Actually, since Nixon.
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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    ....and the unprecedented number being appointed by Obama.
    That is not a true statement, Truth. Not only is the number of Obama 'czar' appts not unprecedented, but Bush had more 'czar' appts.


    Q: Does Obama have an unprecedented number of "czars"?

    A: "Czar" is media lingo, not an official title. But our research shows that George Bush’s administration had more "czars" than the Obama administration.


    In fact, of the 32 czars Beck lists:

    * Nine were confirmed by the Senate, including the director of national intelligence ("intelligence czar"), the chief performance officer ("government performance czar") and the deputy interior secretary ("California water czar").
    * Eight more were not appointed by the president – the special advisor to the EPA overseeing its Great Lakes restoration plan ("Great Lakes czar") is EPA-appointed, for instance, and the assistant secretary for international affairs and special representative for border affairs ("border czar") is appointed by the secretary of homeland security.
    * Fifteen of the "czarships" Beck lists, including seven that are in neither of the above categories, were created by previous administrations. (In some cases, as with the "economic czar," the actual title – in this case, chairman of the president’s economic recovery advisory board – is new, but there has been an official overseeing the area in past administrations. In others, as with the special envoy to Sudan, the position is old but the "czar" appellation is new.)
    * n all, of the 32 positions in Beck’s list, only eight are Obama-appointed, unconfirmed, brand new czars.

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    As for Obama having an unprecedented number of czars, the Bush administration had even more appointed or nominated positions whose holders were called "czars" by the media. The DNC has released a Web video claiming that there were 47, but it’s counting multiple holders of the same position. We checked the DNC’s list against Nexis and other news records, and found a total of 35 Bush administration positions that were referred to as "czars" in the news media. (Our list of confirmed "czars," with news media sources cited, is here.) Again, many of these advisory positions were not new – what was new was the "czar" shorthand. Like the Obama czars, the Bush czars held entirely prosaic administrative positions: special envoys, advisers, office heads, directors, secretaries. The preponderance of czars earned both ridicule and concern in editorials and in media, but no objections from Congress.

    Czar Search | FactCheck.org

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Here the thing was rep Collins rider would have only stop any new Czars from being appointed and would require all Czars to appear before her and the Sen. Committie every quater to give an update on what they are doing and how they are spending our Tax Dollars. Also they would have to come in and be question just like all other Presidental Advisor.

    I think some of you don't understand what is going on. This is Rep. Collins you know one of the 12 who are called on when things need to be work out. Now the White House and Democratic Leadership have basically said FU Susan not smart at all.

    Maybe they will go back to the drawing board and work up something with different wording, perhaps more narrow, that will address transparency and/or oversight issues.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    That is not a true statement, Truth. Not only is the number of Obama 'czar' appts not unprecedented, but Bush had more 'czar' appts.
    Who care how many who had the point of this OP was that the White House killed the Bill that Susan put the rider on. Which is a big mistake since she is one of the gang of 12.

    Come on Jack your from Maine you know how both Susan and Olympia are the White House blew this one big time.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Kill GOP Effort to Rein in Obama's Czars

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Who care how many who had the point of this OP was that the White House killed the Bill that Susan put the rider on. Which is a big mistake since she is one of the gang of 12.

    Come on Jack your from Maine you know how both Susan and Olympia are the White House blew this one big time.

    I was just addressing the factual error. I just made another post about the amendment.

    I think something will be done to address the oversight issue. I think Susan's got an ally in Wisconsin Sen Feingold. He's been making news talking about it too.

    I wonder if the wording or scope of the proposed amendment was too broad, perhaps?

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