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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    How can I call deifying a sitting POTUS indoctrination? Well let me see:

    A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship, except that it is created specifically for political leaders. However, the term may be applied by analogy to refer to adulation of religious or non-political leaders.

    Cult of personality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    It's straight out of "Jesus Loves the Little Children" replacing Jesus with Obama. lol




    Well here in the United States we don't worship Presidents we don't have cults of personality. Presidents work for the people not the other way around.



    Well that explains it. Then I understand why you think cults of personality aren't all that bad. Say hi to your skydaddy for me.



    Ya pretty much.

    So what your saying is that all you have besides your strawmen, is a crystal ball eh?Ok, noted.
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    So what your saying is that all you have besides your strawmen, is a crystal ball eh?Ok, noted.
    Um no I believe what I have been saying is that political indoctrination is not acceptable practice in the public school system.

    Forcing kids to say that: "Mr. President we honor your great plans," is the text book definition of political indoctrination. The people responsible need to be fired and the message needs to be loud and clear that this is simply not acceptable behavior from a teacher. If you want to indoctrinate your own children into a cult of personality have at it but if you bring that kind of behavior into the classroom you should be fired.

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

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    Um no I believe what I have been saying is that political indoctrination is not acceptable practice in the public school system.
    Does the party trying to do the indoctrinations send the lyrics home for parental approval prior to the so-called indoctrination?

    Forcing kids to say that: "Mr. President we honor your great plans," is the text book definition of political indoctrination. The people responsible need to be fired and the message needs to be loud and clear that this is simply not acceptable behavior from a teacher. If you want to indoctrinate your own children into a cult of personality have at it but if you bring that kind of behavior into the classroom you should be fired.
    According to the“Fox News video” the lyrics were sent home prior to the assembly, no parents objected to them, so no force involved when you have parental approval.
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post



    Does the party trying to do the indoctrinations send the lyrics home for parental approval prior to the so-called indoctrination?
    No and neither did this one. Proof or it didn't happen.

    According to the“Fox News video” the lyrics were sent home prior to the assembly, no parents objected to them, so no force involved when you have parental approval.
    Um where the hell did you get that tidbit of disinformation sir? According to the parents who have been interviewed they had no idea what the hell was going and only found out about it after they saw it on youtube:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WLIBnWY1Ts&feature=channel_page"]YouTube - Sean Hannity: Parents of Kids Subjected to Barack Obama Indoctrination Song Want Principal Fired[/ame]

    In fact the Fox News article from my OP quotes one of the parents:

    "I'm stunned -- I can't believe it's our school," said Jim Pronchik, who told FOXNews.com his 8-year-old son Jimmy was one of the 18 students in the video. "We don't want to praise this guy like he's a god or an idol or a king or anything like that. That's the wrong message to be sending."
    Care to try another one?
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No and neither did this one. Proof or it didn't happen.



    Um where the hell did you get that tidbit of disinformation sir? According to the parents who have been interviewed they had no idea what the hell was going and only found out about it after they saw it on youtube:

    YouTube - Sean Hannity: Parents of Kids Subjected to Barack Obama Indoctrination Song Want Principal Fired

    In fact the Fox News article from my OP quotes one of the parents:

    "I'm stunned -- I can't believe it's our school," said Jim Pronchik, who told FOXNews.com his 8-year-old son Jimmy was one of the 18 students in the video. "We don't want to praise this guy like he's a god or an idol or a king or anything like that. That's the wrong message to be sending."
    Care to try another one?

    From a transcript.


    SHOW: FOX ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN 10:23 PM EST
    September 25, 2009 Friday


    VAN SUSTEREN: I have a copy of a letter in my hand from Dr. Christopher Mann (ph), who is the superintendent of schools, who writes that the lyrics that some people have complained about -- that the lyrics of the song were sent home with the children in advance of the assembly. Is that correct? Have you checked that out?

    MITCHELL: That's what we're reporting. Apparently, this is part of school procedure on any type of a skit. The lyrics that are written by probably a teacher in a school are sent home for approval with the parents to see if the parents would object to it. And according to the superintendent, this was sent home in advance of the assembly, and no parents objected to it prior to the assembly, during the assembly or after the assembly.

    VAN SUSTEREN: So are any of those parents who -- of the children, have they now come forward and said, A, I didn't get the lyrics, or B, I did get the lyrics, but I've changed my mind?

    MITCHELL: We haven't found that yet. I mean, the school district is being very closed-mouthed. They're keeping the children away from reporters and they're keeping the staff away from reporters. They've increased security, so no one can get on the campus. All comment has come from the superintendent's office. No one from the school is commenting about this incident at all. We've had no calls from any of the parents from that school complaining about that skit or complaining about what has happened at that school.


    There were twenty-three children in the skit; it looks like Shawn found a couple that he could make a show of didn’t he?That leaves implied consent of the other twenty-one parents.


    Now wheres your proof of attempts at indoctrination.
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post

    From a transcript.


    SHOW: FOX ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN 10:23 PM EST
    September 25, 2009 Friday


    VAN SUSTEREN: I have a copy of a letter in my hand from Dr. Christopher Mann (ph), who is the superintendent of schools, who writes that the lyrics that some people have complained about -- that the lyrics of the song were sent home with the children in advance of the assembly. Is that correct? Have you checked that out?

    MITCHELL: That's what we're reporting. Apparently, this is part of school procedure on any type of a skit. The lyrics that are written by probably a teacher in a school are sent home for approval with the parents to see if the parents would object to it. And according to the superintendent, this was sent home in advance of the assembly, and no parents objected to it prior to the assembly, during the assembly or after the assembly.

    VAN SUSTEREN: So are any of those parents who -- of the children, have they now come forward and said, A, I didn't get the lyrics, or B, I did get the lyrics, but I've changed my mind?

    MITCHELL: We haven't found that yet. I mean, the school district is being very closed-mouthed. They're keeping the children away from reporters and they're keeping the staff away from reporters. They've increased security, so no one can get on the campus. All comment has come from the superintendent's office. No one from the school is commenting about this incident at all. We've had no calls from any of the parents from that school complaining about that skit or complaining about what has happened at that school.


    Um the answer to the question in the bold is yes we have found that, the parents have been interviewed, they were not given the lyrics. I posted the quotes. I posted the full interviews. Call me when you have evidence that the lyrics were sent home until then you are relying on the word of the superintendent who is on record saying that he would allow it to be done again.

    There were twenty-three children in the skit; it looks like Shawn found a couple that he could make a show of didn’t he?That leaves implied consent of the other twenty-one parents.
    This is not part of the interview, and you just answered your own question, we have the parents stating flatly that they didn't have any idea this was going on.

    Now wheres your proof of attempts at indoctrination.
    It's in the video I posted in the OP in which children are being forced to claim that they honor the presidents political agenda without parental consent.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 09-29-09 at 12:14 AM.

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    What to do? Both sources are from Fox?

    At least we know that someone has made a mistake besides the teacher. The parent, who may have not read the notice about the lyrics and just signed whatever paper their child brought home with them (as that happens a lot). Or, there was no letter sent home in the first place.
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    What to do? Both sources are from Fox?

    At least we know that someone has made a mistake besides the teacher. The parent, who may have not read the notice about the lyrics and just signed whatever paper their child brought home with them (as that happens a lot). Or, there was no letter sent home in the first place.
    Um you have no one but the superintendent making the claim that the form was sent home. In fact we have the actual parents saying that they had no idea that this was going on. Oh and FYI parental consent notices have to be signed by the parent.

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um you have no one but the superintendent making the claim that the form was sent home. In fact we have the actual parents saying that they had no idea that this was going on.
    Or so they claim, which was my point.

    Oh and FYI parental consent notices have to be signed by the parent.
    I know this. But the parent signing it, doesn't automatically mean they've actually read it. If this was the case, it wouldn't surprise me to have a parent say they never actually got the letter, because they never really read it in the first place, but that doesn't mean it was never sent home.

    It is speculation though.
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Or so they claim, which was my point.
    Ask yourself one question. Who actually has a motive to lie in this instance? The superintendent or the parents? Is there any parent saying that they got the parental consent forms? No. Has the superintendent provided the signed parental consent forms? No. Do we have parents saying that they were not informed that this was going on? Yes.


    I know this. But the parent signing it, doesn't automatically mean they've actually read it. If this was the case, it wouldn't surprise me to have a parent say they never actually got the letter, because they never really read it in the first place, but that doesn't mean it was never sent home.

    It is speculation though.
    Is there evidence that letters were sent home? No. Is there evidence the letters were not sent home? Yes. But this is very easy to prove one way or the other by providing the signed parental consent forms or a parent saying that they did receive one.

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