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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    When has it happened before now? This is a phenomenon completely alien to the free world. Political indoctrination in public education was once reserved for totalitarian regimes. Like it or not there is currently a cult of personality behind this current administration, and the question is what are they going to do?




    So wait you don't think that the compulsory political indoctrination of children in a public school is not a big deal? Tell me when will it become a big deal? Do we have to wait around for it to happen in every school in the country? Do we have to wait until the department of education produces curriculum for students k-12 making praise of dear leader compulsory? Do we have to wait until the NEA is used to produce great statues to our dear leader? Oh wait scratch that last one to late.
    You have shown no evidence this happened anywhere but this one district, to these 18 students. This is not some big national indoctrination conspiracy. Further, any time teachers with opinions teach about current events, they are going to inflict part of their beliefs into what they teach, which is not really different than this.

    Should the teachers have done this? Probably not. Is it a big deal for any one not actually involved? Not really, it is a small time local issue with no national ramifications.

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Once again this was at the White House Easter Egg hunt, it wasn't about a single person, and it wasn't compulsory in a public school setting.
    Ah so it's only indoctrination in certain environments. Got it.
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah so it's only indoctrination in certain environments. Got it.
    I think it is only indoctrination if it's Pro-Obama. Let's face it, logic is not a strong suit for those making a big deal out of this.

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think it is only indoctrination if it's Pro-Obama. Let's face it, logic is not a strong suit for those making a big deal out of this.
    Think of the childrun!
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ah so it's only indoctrination in certain environments. Got it.
    Do you know what a captive audience is? Do you know the definition of the word compulsory? Besides saying thankyou to the POTUS, LOTUS, and FEMA for the help following the Katrina disaster isn't exactly saying: "Hooray, Mr. President we honor your great plans" or taking splices of "Jesus Loves the Little Children" and replacing Jesus with Obama now is it?

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think it is only indoctrination if it's Pro-Obama. Let's face it, logic is not a strong suit for those making a big deal out of this.
    I think it's only indoctrination when forcing children to sing praises for policy platform of a sitting POTUS.

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You have shown no evidence this happened anywhere but this one district, to these 18 students. This is not some big national indoctrination conspiracy.
    So just ignore it until that happens or state firmly that it is unacceptable and that those who do it will be fired?

    Further, any time teachers with opinions teach about current events, they are going to inflict part of their beliefs into what they teach, which is not really different than this.
    Well good teachers try to give both sides of the story when discussing current events. Bad teachers attempt to indoctrinate children with a political ideology.

    Should the teachers have done this? Probably not. Is it a big deal for any one not actually involved? Not really, it is a small time local issue with no national ramifications.
    You don't think that the indoctrination of children in public schools is a national issue? Would you feel the same about theological indoctrination? I see this as just as big of a national issue as children being taught creationism in a public school even if it's just one school.

    It needs to be made clear that this is unacceptable behavior and that those who engage in it will be fired.

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I think it's only indoctrination when forcing children to sing praises for policy platform of a sitting POTUS.
    So you define indoctrination is such a narrow way that it only applies to this one situation. How convenient.

    I think the phrase "feigned outrage" was coined for just these situations.

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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you define indoctrination is such a narrow way that it only applies to this one situation. How convenient.

    I think the phrase "feigned outrage" was coined for just these situations.
    I define indoctrination a - to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., esp. to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.

    So tell me how does the example regarding the song sung at the White House easter egg hunt meet the qualifications within that definition?

    There are many other examples of the indoctrination of children but they don't usually occur in the free world. Another such example in the free world which comes to mind would be the teaching of creationism.

    And I'm not feigning outrage, I'm actually outraged that this occurred. If you don't see why it's outrageous then I'm not really sure what to tell you.
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    Re: Elementary School Students Taught to Sing Praises of President Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Please link to the song... I really don't care what you "think" happened.

    What song?
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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