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    Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal offices
    Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:41pm EDT
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    WASHINGTON, Sept 24 (Reuters) - An Illinois man was ordered held on Thursday on charges he tried to blow up a federal building in the state capital, a case unrelated to the New York terrorism plot.

    Michael Finton, also known as Talib Islam, was arrested in Springfield, Illinois, and charged with attempted murder of federal officers or employees and trying to use a weapon of mass destruction, charges that carry a life sentence.

    "Fortunately, a coordinated undercover law enforcement effort was able to thwart his efforts and ensure no one was harmed," David Kris, assistant Attorney General for National Security, said in a statement.

    Finton was arrested on Wednesday in Springfield as he used a cell phone to try to detonate the bomb he believed was inside a van he had just parked outside the federal building.
    UPDATE 1-Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal offices | Markets | Markets News | Reuters

    YIKES!

    He tried to detonate the fake explosives! This would have been another Oklahoma City style attack but by a converted Muslim.

    OBL 11/24/02

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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    This is another case of someone being led into plotting terrorist attacks by undercover law enforcement. It certainly walks down a dangerous path. While it is clear that this man was willing to commit an act of terrorism if given the means, that doesn't mean he would have been able to obtain said means on his own. Many people talk tough or wish terrible things, but don't actually follow through. In this case I believe the conviction should stand, but only by a paper-thing margin. Catching terrorists that you create isn't the best way to protect our citizens.

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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    This man was obviously motivated by Glenn Beck and the 9/12 protests. There can be no other explaination.

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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is another case of someone being led into plotting terrorist attacks by undercover law enforcement. It certainly walks down a dangerous path. While it is clear that this man was willing to commit an act of terrorism if given the means, that doesn't mean he would have been able to obtain said means on his own. Many people talk tough or wish terrible things, but don't actually follow through. In this case I believe the conviction should stand, but only by a paper-thing margin. Catching terrorists that you create isn't the best way to protect our citizens.
    That's kind of what I was thinking too. If the feds were involved from the beginning, this comes dangerously close to entrapment. I would expect his defense attorney to argue just that. However, in this particular case I would tend to agree that he should be convicted (assuming all the facts presented here are accurate), since he picked the target himself and was given many opportunities to walk away.
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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    Similar thing happened yesterday here in Dallas.

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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is another case of someone being led into plotting terrorist attacks by undercover law enforcement. It certainly walks down a dangerous path. While it is clear that this man was willing to commit an act of terrorism if given the means, that doesn't mean he would have been able to obtain said means on his own. Many people talk tough or wish terrible things, but don't actually follow through. In this case I believe the conviction should stand, but only by a paper-thing margin. Catching terrorists that you create isn't the best way to protect our citizens.
    The police no longer believe in entrapment.

    But catching terrorists you create is a good way to keep people under thumb. Constantly release things about "plots" and other nasties so people forgive the government for wrong doings.
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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This is another case of someone being led into plotting terrorist attacks by undercover law enforcement. It certainly walks down a dangerous path. While it is clear that this man was willing to commit an act of terrorism if given the means, that doesn't mean he would have been able to obtain said means on his own. Many people talk tough or wish terrible things, but don't actually follow through. In this case I believe the conviction should stand, but only by a paper-thing margin. Catching terrorists that you create isn't the best way to protect our citizens.
    On the other hand, while gang members may talk tough, there is a huge emotional divide between talking tough and carrying a weapon/planning to shoot someone. Do you disagree?

    The vast, overwhelming majority of human beings, if faced with the choice to bomb an office building, would not do it. The fact that this person was willing to be lead there, and didn't turn away from it, is very telling.

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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The vast, overwhelming majority of human beings, if faced with the choice to bomb an office building, would not do it. The fact that this person was willing to be lead there, and didn't turn away from it, is very telling.
    I may be inclined towards buying a prostitute. It doesn't mean the cops can dress up as a prostitute, persuade me into paying them, and then arrest me. Though, that sorta sounds like something that's up their sleeve. The point being, we all may have something in which we could be convinced on way or another to do something illegal. It doesn't mean it's rightful for the cops to be that voice of convincing and then arrest you when you've done what they told you.
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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal offices
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    UPDATE 1-Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal offices | Markets | Markets News | Reuters

    YIKES!

    He tried to detonate the fake explosives! This would have been another Oklahoma City style attack but by a converted Muslim.


    I am very glad they caught this guy before he got his hands on some real explosives!!

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    Re: Illinois man charged in plot to bomb federal office

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I may be inclined towards buying a prostitute. It doesn't mean the cops can dress up as a prostitute, persuade me into paying them, and then arrest me.
    They can dress up a prostitute, and arrest you when you solicit sexual acts from her.

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