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    Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines - Political News - FOXNews.com

    Female sailors can broaden their role in the Navy by serving on submarines, an activity currently prohibited by the Armed Service, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has advised the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    According to Defensetech.org, a site run by Military.com, a group boasting a membership of 10 million veterans and active duty forces, Adm. Michael Mullen told senators in a recent survey that he's long been an advocate for improving diversity in the Armed Forces.

    "I believe we should continue to broaden opportunities for women. One policy I would like to see changed is the one barring their service aboard submarines," he added.

    The policy change would mark a huge shift for the Navy, whose submarines have been devoid of female sailors even though women began flying fighter jets and performing other seagoing combat roles 15 years ago.

    Defensetech.org reported that Mullen, a former chief of naval operations and a surface warfare officer, wrote his endorsement of women serving in subs in his response to questions submitted by senators preparing for Mullen's confirmation hearing for a second term as chairman of the JCS. That hearing was held Sept. 15.

    Opponents of females serving on submarines say space is too restrictive to accommodate privacy needs for women, in particular bathrooms. Another study -- conducted in 1994 -- noted that fraternization in close quarters, among other issues, could also complicate operations at sea

    First off let me state this for the record I have no issue with Women Assign to any Combat Ships or in Combat in General. With that said this is a very bad idea, anyone who has spent any time in a SSNB knows that space is very limited. My question for Adm. Mullen is where is the money going to come from to retro-fit all SSNB also what space and operational area do you plan on eleminating for a Female Bathroom and Sleeping area. Which both are found on all other US Naval Vessels. We aren't talking about a CVN which can easly have areas mod for Female Sailors we are talking about a very large tube. Also how are you going to get araound the whole Fraternizing issue, don't forget Adm. that most SSNB go out on very long underwater tours ranging from 4 weeks to up to 6 months underwater with very little shore time.

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    What if they had female only subs?

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    What if they had female only subs?
    Do you know how long it takes to train a sailor to work on Subs??? Almost as long as it take to train Naval Avaitors which is about 2 Years.

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    The retrofitting would just involve moving some bulkheads. It's not a big deal, definitely doable. Whether it is a good idea, I have never been on subs, but every military job that has at one time not allowed women, that ended up with women in the job has worked out.

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Do you know how long it takes to train a sailor to work on Subs??? Almost as long as it take to train Naval Avaitors which is about 2 Years.
    ok so what if 2 years after deciding to have female submariners there was a female only sub?

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The retrofitting would just involve moving some bulkheads. It's not a big deal, definitely doable. Whether it is a good idea, I have never been on subs, but every military job that has at one time not allowed women, that ended up with women in the job has worked out.
    No Redress it would take allot of moving of items, let start with a Female Head and Sleeping area, as you know from your time on CVN most enlisted folks share there bunks with other Watch. In CVN and other Navy Ships it was easy to do the Mods for Female Sailors enough room and areas' were eleminated to do this. I recall on the Ike they eleminated one of the old F-14 engine shop for Female enlisted sleeping area.

    On a SSNB you just can't go in and move Bulkheads the way a SSNB is designed and build the bulkhead act as reenforcers on the outer hull. Also what operational area do you plan on either eleminating or combining.

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No Redress it would take allot of moving of items, let start with a Female Head and Sleeping area, as you know from your time on CVN most enlisted folks share there bunks with other Watch.
    Not the case when I was in.

    In CVN and other Navy Ships it was easy to do the Mods for Female Sailors enough room and areas' were eleminated to do this. I recall on the Ike they eleminated one of the old F-14 engine shop for Female enlisted sleeping area.
    Actually, they just marked several berthings as female.

    On a SSNB you just can't go in and move Bulkheads the way a SSNB is designed and build the bulkhead act as reenforcers on the outer hull. Also what operational area do you plan on either eleminating or combining.
    I have not served on a sub, as I was quick to point out. I suspect that if the desire is there, it can be done without loss of readiness. The military has a remarkable track record when it comes to doing just that.

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not the case when I was in.



    Actually, they just marked several berthings as female.



    I have not served on a sub, as I was quick to point out. I suspect that if the desire is there, it can be done without loss of readiness. The military has a remarkable track record when it comes to doing just that.
    Sorry I thought you were in when they started to do the upgrades. So did you have to come to the bulkhead of a female Area and announce Male Personal on Deck before entering. When I was on the Carl Vincent we had to do this.

    Please also noted that I understand that you never have been on a Boomer, I have been on two one for a 48 hour shake down system cruise and another for a day trip on the surface.

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Sorry I thought you were in when they started to do the upgrades. So did you have to come to the bulkhead of a female Area and announce Male Personal on Deck before entering. When I was on the Carl Vincent we had to do this.

    Please also noted that I understand that you never have been on a Boomer, I have been on two one for a 48 hour shake down system cruise and another for a day trip on the surface.
    There was a watch outside of the set of berthings that women where in, and yes, the "man on deck" thing was required.

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    Re: Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

    One of my high school buddies came back from a 2 year excursion under the ocean in the north and said it was utter hell. No privacy, The smell, crushing boredom and endless drills, and no women.

    This would solve at least one of their miseries during long voyages at sea. I wonder how many more it would create however.
    This looks like an advertisement for job creation in the legal sector. There will be lawsuits out of this if it goes through and theres more jobs for lawyers I would guess.
    Thank you

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