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    G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets | National News | Comcast.net


    PITTSBURGH Police threw canisters of pepper spray and smoke at marchers protesting the Group of 20 summit Thursday after anarchists responded to calls to disperse by rolling trash bins and throwing rocks.

    The march turned chaotic at just about the same time that President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama arrived for a meeting with leaders of the world's major economies.

    The clashes began after hundreds of protesters, many advocating against capitalism, tried to march from an outlying neighborhood toward the convention center where the summit is being held.

    Police in riot gear stood guard near the protesters, who banged on drums and chanted "Ain't no power like the power of the people, 'cause the power of the people don't stop."

    The hundreds of marchers included small groups of self-described anarchists, some wearing dark clothes and bandanas and carrying black flags. Others wore helmets and safety goggles.

    Some held a banner that read, "No borders, no thanks." Another banner read, "No hope in capitalism." A few minutes into the march, protesters unfurled a large banner reading "NO BAILOUT NO CAPITALISM" with an encircled "A," a recognized sign of anarchists.

    And so it beggins, While I'm all for 1st Adm Rights, why must these morons go out of there way to A)Destroy private and public property B) Challage the Police to Fights by throwing Rocks, Bottle and rolling Trash Cans at them.

    Also why is it when a bunch of so-called Extreme Right Wing Folks have a March in Washington DC not a single act of violance or any arrest happens but when the idiots on the Left be it these morons or the Anti-Bush Crowd hold a March there is always Arrest and Violance. So who is the side that should be watched allot closer????

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    As soon as I saw this thread I thought, wow left wing lunatic violence. I wonder if the same folks who want to tar and feather the ring wing for the actions of a few nutjobs will come here and do the same to the left. Somehow I doubt it.

    I eagerly await the hypocritical displays of blind partisan hackery that are destined to come to this thread.
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    Anarchists (And other crazy left-wing parties) =/= Democrats. Same can be said for the far far far right and Republicans.

    I thought I would get that out of the way early in this thread.

    I actually listened to it while it was happening here.

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    Sweet, looks like I beat the real partisanry...

    This G-20 meeting will be seen as the beginning of the end of fhe first ammendment in America.

    So far, here are the facts :

    There are 2000 national guard at the event, armed. They are also using the sound weapon mounted on armoured vehicles. That's on top of the cops... seriously?? What's the justifcation to have trained soldiers for 'security'?? Seriously, why does government move the millitary?? Most of the time is to kill people and blow stuff up.

    Seriously, there have been G-8 (and growing) meetings across north america for years and in all that time police have been more then capable in their policing of these events.

    From the videos I've seen the mood of the millitary is that as though they were under attack... then most of the people that are there seem to be the 'anarchists'... historically at these meetings the anarchists role has been to throw rocks, molotovs, and other weapons at police, then retreating into the crowd so that the police would retaliate against the legitimate protestors... this has been proven and admitted several times, I could cite 5 examples of this being the case, and could link them all, so, if you don't believe me do a search for yourself it'll be more credible.

    I haven't seen enough of the actual protest to get a good feel for the general mood of the protestors.

    Regardless, there's also checkpoints going up across Pittsburgh, and the national guard is in combat gear... that's a dangerous precedent... especially when police could be guarding the g-20 without the need for the army. The g-20 is less widely protested, since fewer are aware of much more then it's existance, then say being overtaxed.

    The scary part is, what happens if the army doesn't leave??

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Anarchists (And other crazy left-wing parties) =/= Democrats. Same can be said for the far far far right and Republicans.

    I thought I would get that out of the way early in this thread.

    I actually listened to it while it was happening here.
    while they are calling them all 'anarchists' most of the people that show up to protest the 'group' are just those that are against globalization, which is essentially a corporate takeover of the world ... (consider that the out of the top 100 economies in the world, half are private companies and not countries at this point).

    The main reason that protests end up violent (probably 9 times out of 10) is because of 'agents provocateurs'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Sweet, looks like I beat the real partisanry...

    This G-20 meeting will be seen as the beginning of the end of fhe first ammendment in America.

    So far, here are the facts :

    There are 2000 national guard at the event, armed. They are also using the sound weapon mounted on armoured vehicles. That's on top of the cops... seriously?? What's the justifcation to have trained soldiers for 'security'?? Seriously, why does government move the millitary?? Most of the time is to kill people and blow stuff up.

    Seriously, there have been G-8 (and growing) meetings across north america for years and in all that time police have been more then capable in their policing of these events.

    From the videos I've seen the mood of the millitary is that as though they were under attack... then most of the people that are there seem to be the 'anarchists'... historically at these meetings the anarchists role has been to throw rocks, molotovs, and other weapons at police, then retreating into the crowd so that the police would retaliate against the legitimate protestors... this has been proven and admitted several times, I could cite 5 examples of this being the case, and could link them all, so, if you don't believe me do a search for yourself it'll be more credible.

    I haven't seen enough of the actual protest to get a good feel for the general mood of the protestors.

    Regardless, there's also checkpoints going up across Pittsburgh, and the national guard is in combat gear... that's a dangerous precedent... especially when police could be guarding the g-20 without the need for the army. The g-20 is less widely protested, since fewer are aware of much more then it's existance, then say being overtaxed.

    The scary part is, what happens if the army doesn't leave??
    Wow talk about not have a clue, First it's the Penn. Army national Guard that is out ion Force which is part of there Job I suggest you go and read up on State Militia'/Guard Units starting with the US Consitution and then the formin gof Militia Units after the end of the Revolution War.

    Next on to this topic, hmm let see these folks over the past decade have made it quite clear that they could give a rats arse about other folks 1st Adm rights or do you think it's alright to smash windows and burn stores down. Also were does it say in the 1st Adm that a crowd has the right ot throw Bottles,Rocks ect. ect. at Police Officers and Guards Folks.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    First off, I assume that some of the foriegn leaders asked for the heightened security. Remember, not just Obama was there. Many powerful World Leaders also attended. Big need for security.

    The protesters were blocking traffic without a permit (knowledge obtained from listening to an online stream of a radio scanner). That's what started this whole thing. That is why the police asked them to disperse. The protesters met them with violence, and the security forces responded with non-lethal weapons. All-in-all, sounds like a classic textbook break-up of a group of angry (and violent) protesters.
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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Police threw canisters of pepper spray and smoke at marchers protesting the Group of 20 summit Thursday after anarchists responded to calls to disperse by rolling trash bins and throwing rocks.
    Sounds like the crowd(or a portion thereof) is in the wrong, and the police in the right. Protesting is fine, rioting not so much.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    So far I don't here much of a peep from the Left besides a few.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    It is worth pointing out it is usually only a minority who are violent in these things, the usual rent-a-mob crowd who would protest just about anything if they thought they'd be able to smash windows. The rest are usually relatively peaceful.

    Anarchists is a bit of a misused term, the rent-a-mob portion may or may not contain many that call themselves anarchists but I don't think they're particularly motivated by the ideology nor particularly representative of classical anarchism.
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