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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Look Dude your full of ****, you have no idea what your talking about I have already explain to you how and why the Penn. Army Guard Units were there, you have no idea on how and when a Guard Unit could and can be used by the Federal Govn. I suggest you just stop now because the more you post the more it show's how much of an moron you are on this subject.
    Dude, I'm not talking about the legality of it anymore... you made your point that they are acting legally... that doesn't change the fact that this is an exercise in habituation to having army presence integrating with the police... which was my point. You're still stuck in time about 20 posts back.

    Also like I ask before show me the actual proof that in the following citieds,Seattle,London Pittsburg,Ottowa it was Polic whpo started the violance. You would think if they had then Esp. in London thast the Police woul dhave been charge same goes for Canada. Come pon you open your mouth time for you to either put up or shut the **** up on this subject.
    I know you'll just deny it all again... but here we go : Short of getting these guys pay stubs...

    Seattle (This was the only one still on youtube with the relevant clips_: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mAWslHmiok"]YouTube - POLICE STATE II: THE TAKEOVER - Seattle WTO Protest - Pt 1/3[/ame]

    London :
    Ya, 50 camera's filiming 1 guy breaking windows... that's not staged at all...
    How many people did cops kill at that protest again?

    Not to mention the ADMISSION that cops infiltrate protest groups, with one of them caught with a rock (who was later CONFIRMED) as a police officer... that's where they mentioned that this was the 'STANDARD POLICE PRACTISE WORLDWIDE" ADMITTED.

    In Pittsburgh, the anarchists started rolling bins and throwing rocks (it's reported, the video hasn't surfaced yet).

    Of course, any group that goes out to these protests will announce a policy within their group of non-violent protest... it's always the 'anarchists', who cause trouble, while the majority of the group tries to seperate from them, yet the police never attack the anarchists with the same force that they will the non-violent ones

    So I know that's probably not the proof you were hoping for, but you wouldn't settle for anything less then the level of evidence to support a prosecution.... names, how much they were paid, etc...

    Tell me, is it in the better interet of the government to allow the general public to hear the grievances of the protestors, or to ensure that they group can be demonized?? Answer honestly, if only to yourself.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    Evan though I do not believe that there are hardily any undercover cops causing riots since there isn't any such thing as the statistics burreau of undercover cop causing riots any more than there is a stat for how mnay undrcover marcs we have.
    No ****?

    Obviously... That is the whole freakin' point, he is making appeals to emotion with comments that he can't possibly hope to back up with any facts.
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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No ****?

    Obviously... That is the whole freakin' point, he is making appeals to emotion with comments that he can't possibly hope to back up with any facts.
    Man, I already showed where cops have been admitted to being used in canada, the 'photo-op' anarchist in london throwing the brick through the window, I hadn't shown the video of the 3 'anarchist' cops at the g-20... they got called out as cops by the protestors themselves... and other videos where they made up a game called 'anarchist or cop' like 'duck duck goose'. Hell, going back to the canadian example, the person coming out and admiting the potential provocateurs (the only guy at the protest to pick up a rock) as being "standard practise world wide" in terms of infiltrating protest groups.

    The facts are that if the cops do get arrested that are provocateurs they are quickly released and replaced. That's not to say that there aren't real anarchists, that honestly believe that no government would be ideal and they get brought into the idea of 'tearing it down', those are the groups that are infiltrated by cops.

    I've backed it up enough I think... if you want I could also throw in examples from : Geneva, Melbourne, Bamff, etc... Like seriously, if you still deny that cops are the main cause of the violence at most every protest then nothing will convince you... but I'm sorry it's a fact, I've backed it up I can show many more examples... and I can also quote "Standard police practise worldwide" what part did I NOT make clear yet??

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WugWj6CskM&feature=related"]YouTube - Undercover Police Fail - G20 Protest[/ame]

    There may be exceptions to the rule, but the violence is not from the core of the protestors, except where they get dragged into mob mentality OR retaliate ... Like this woman :

    (Caution: violence)
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UohD9lfnbc0"]YouTube - Girl on Bike ASSAULTED, Arrested by Police during G20 in Pittsburgh[/ame]

    Who it later turned out was not even interested or involved in the protest, she just got trapped at the wrong place when the police shut the doors on the protestors.... naturally it would take me showing EVERY clip taped and you'd still say I'm lying or something when saying the cops went over-board at the g-20...

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Man, I already showed where cops have been admitted to being used in canada, the 'photo-op' anarchist in london throwing the brick through the window, I hadn't shown the video of the 3 'anarchist' cops at the g-20... they got called out as cops by the protestors themselves... and other videos where they made up a game called 'anarchist or cop' like 'duck duck goose'. Hell, going back to the canadian example, the person coming out and admiting the potential provocateurs (the only guy at the protest to pick up a rock) as being "standard practise world wide" in terms of infiltrating protest groups.

    The facts are that if the cops do get arrested that are provocateurs they are quickly released and replaced. That's not to say that there aren't real anarchists, that honestly believe that no government would be ideal and they get brought into the idea of 'tearing it down', those are the groups that are infiltrated by cops.

    I've backed it up enough I think... if you want I could also throw in examples from : Geneva, Melbourne, Bamff, etc... Like seriously, if you still deny that cops are the main cause of the violence at most every protest then nothing will convince you... but I'm sorry it's a fact, I've backed it up I can show many more examples... and I can also quote "Standard police practise worldwide" what part did I NOT make clear yet??

    (Caution : mature language)
    YouTube - Undercover Police Fail - G20 Protest

    There may be exceptions to the rule, but the violence is not from the core of the protestors, except where they get dragged into mob mentality OR retaliate ... Like this woman :

    (Caution: violence)
    YouTube - Girl on Bike ASSAULTED, Arrested by Police during G20 in Pittsburgh

    Who it later turned out was not even interested or involved in the protest, she just got trapped at the wrong place when the police shut the doors on the protestors.... naturally it would take me showing EVERY clip taped and you'd still say I'm lying or something when saying the cops went over-board at the g-20...
    So here is the question that I'm still waiting for you to answer where was all of this so-called Police Crap going on in Seattle /Pittsburg huh and where is the Stae/Fed AG going after the Cops if they had did what your saying they did. Show me that proof.

    The Cops did nothing wrong in Canad/London/ Seattle or Pittsburg you need to just stop being a moron on this. Oh what I get it now your one of those Lonny now aren't you, that explains everything

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    So here is the question that I'm still waiting for you to answer where was all of this so-called Police Crap going on in Seattle /Pittsburg huh and where is the Stae/Fed AG going after the Cops if they had did what your saying they did. Show me that proof.
    Not sure exactly what you're asking specifically... from what I hear much of it took place at the university and various other places where protesters gathered...

    But the big question is why are you splitting hairs so much... the anarchists were launching garbage cans towards the cops, other then that, the biggest message I've heard from people there was that most of the people were talking about not letting the anarchists take away from the intent...

    I mean, do I have to fish out all the related news articles from each of these protests where many of them admit to the police infiltration?? I know there's more then just the one from Canada, you'd think a standard practise of infiltration of the groups that always end up violent, and that the average anarchist is a 19 year old kid that likes to drink and get high and hates the fact that there are responsibilities in life. So, you put the mentality of these youth with the mentality of a professional undercover cop that's trained to manipulate people... Do you HONESTLY believe that the cops are just there for good?? Cause even if it's never a cop that throws the first stone (although I'm sure if I REALLY tried I could show otherwise) the people that do initiate violence at most protest can at least be shown to be the 'anarchists' who are at least being influenced by police as their statndard practise would dictate.

    The Cops did nothing wrong in Canad/London/ Seattle or Pittsburg you need to just stop being a moron on this. Oh what I get it now your one of those Lonny now aren't you, that explains everything
    And you need to stop this stupid denialism... Cops did nothing wrong in canada??? THE COP WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT PIRCKED UP A ROCK!!!!!! That's ON VIDEO. Did you see the other people at that protest?? Average age was like 35 if not older...

    London... cops did nothing wrong?? How many did they kill that day? That newspaper boy wasn't even part of the protest and he got beat to death, so there's that one that I know of at least.

    Seattle... that's the one with the 'photo-op anarchist' 50 cameras and 1 dude breaking a window... please tell me you know what 'staged' means.

    Pittsburgh... I'm still trying to find all the video, but what's known so far : millitary accoustic weapon used, snatch and grab arrests, dogs attacking bystanders, teargassing bystanders...

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNyV7UQJpyY"]YouTube - G20 Pittsburgh Protests - Innocent Bystanders Trapped, Attacked w/ Batons, Rubber Bullets Tear Gas[/ame]

    You tell me the cops are being reasonable the whole way through that video?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48pQGdtXE_g&feature=PlayList&p=4EBAFA89C2B E64AD&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=108"]YouTube - Pittsburgh Police Dog Bites Old Lady In The Ass[/ame]

    But in terms of catching the cop anarchists doing something wrong... well, it'd be stupid to do something wrong while you're being called out for being cops.

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    I could never help but laugh at those who dismiss anarchists (and the broader socialist movement, for that matter) out of hand as something beneath serious consideration. Personally, I happen to enjoy the eight-hour workday and can recognize the integral role of figures like Albert Parsons and the anti-capitalist oriented labor movement of the nineteenth century in gaining it.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I could never help but laugh at those who dismiss anarchists (and the broader socialist movement, for that matter) out of hand as something beneath serious consideration. Personally, I happen to enjoy the eight-hour workday and can recognize the integral role of figures like Albert Parsons and the anti-capitalist oriented labor movement of the nineteenth century in gaining it.
    I don't think that anybody here is denying that it does happen, just not that the cops are provoking almost all of the violence that occurs, as is being put forth by certain conspiracy theorists...
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etv8YEqaWgA"]YouTube - G20 2009: Police Attack Students at University of Pittsburgh[/ame]

    Can't we just say that paying cops to threaten/scare dissenters is coercing them to stop their rights via terrorism and have the peoples voice heard at an event for once? We have the police the keep the rowdy/peaceful in check. But how do we keep cops in check?

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akwjAjcQnqM&feature=related"]YouTube - Wearechange schools Pittsburgh police on constitution @ g20 9/24/09[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k5y3fBH9Og&feature=related"]YouTube - Police State - The Militarization of the Police Force in USA[/ame]


    After injecting cops with military equipment... How much equipment does it take to consider police 'military grade'?

    And if cops being anonymous and not held accountable for their individual actions can we just prosecute the whole foundation?
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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    It's difficult. The original premise behind the black bloc was that anonymity would protect protesters from police retaliation, but that anonymity has lent itself to susceptibility to police infiltration. I was at City Hall during the 2007 Los Angeles May Day protests, but the anarchists who were at MacArthur Park told me that the provocation was started by a pregnant woman with a water bottle, not by anarchists, as the media thoughtlessly regurgitated.
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