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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not need a permit to protest. You do need one to block off a street. Protesting is not an excuse to ignore the law.
    Actually it is, its called civil disobedience.
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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Actually it is, its called civil disobedience.
    Not in the United States of America it's call getting your arse stomped by PO Police and Folks who live in the area.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Not in the United States of America it's call getting your arse stomped by PO Police and Folks who live in the area.
    Unless the cause gets mainstream support, then you're a hero brutally suppressed.
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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Actually it is, its called civil disobedience.
    And civil disobedience is a ticket to jail. If you break the law, you got no room to bitch when you suffer the consequences.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And civil disobedience is a ticket to jail. If you break the law, you got no room to bitch when you suffer the consequences.
    I was joking. I'm a misunderstood genius...honest.
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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I was joking. I'm a misunderstood genius...honest.
    You had a point... the original intent was that civil disobedience does not require anything on your part other then the intent to be disobedient... eventually because these protests were blocking streets and that cops were needed above and beyond the usual numbers, the permits were made to allow the blocking of traffic and to allocate the funding for the extra police hours.

    That said, you can go any day of the week with a placard and walk up and down the street protesting, so long as you aren't breaking any laws there's nothing that can be done to stop you.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    You had a point... the original intent was that civil disobedience does not require anything on your part other then the intent to be disobedient... eventually because these protests were blocking streets and that cops were needed above and beyond the usual numbers, the permits were made to allow the blocking of traffic and to allocate the funding for the extra police hours.

    That said, you can go any day of the week with a placard and walk up and down the street protesting, so long as you aren't breaking any laws there's nothing that can be done to stop you.
    To me, the point of protesting is to spread awareness and, if necessary, dissent. How is the protest supposed to grow and gain more attention if it requires government permission and it can only be confined to a certain area?

    It's all about power and who has it. Think about the French Revolution. Even when tens of thousands were taking up arms to attack the government over legitimate problems, the government still tried to tell them that they were wrong and should stand down.

    Now, in modern times, we have the full arsenal of the riot squad and the military. They'll use any excuse to break up a protest that challenges neo-liberalism. That is how the modern establishment operates.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    To me, the point of protesting is to spread awareness and, if necessary, dissent. How is the protest supposed to grow and gain more attention if it requires government permission and it can only be confined to a certain area?

    It's all about power and who has it. Think about the French Revolution. Even when tens of thousands were taking up arms to attack the government over legitimate problems, the government still tried to tell them that they were wrong and should stand down.

    Now, in modern times, we have the full arsenal of the riot squad and the military. They'll use any excuse to break up a protest that challenges neo-liberalism. That is how the modern establishment operates.
    I completely agree with you... but not only do they have the full riot gear, at nearly every major globalist meeting it can be shown (if not proven) that the violent elements are cops or paid instigators (black bloc). For the past 30-40 years every attempt has been made in the media to demonize protest as a fringe group of hippies and violent anarchists (while those are there too) and the focus is on anything and everything but the grievances of those out protesting.

    Now, having the army going out with, and taking the role of police, it should be becoming more and more evident that the government is trying to force a flashpoint where violence will erupt and the full force of the millitary can be unleashed against the american people to 'domesticate' them fully into accepting the new reality of doing what you're told. It's the new freedom to have cops assaulting a university, and beating down and arresting students (of course in the media they will say that they were 'protecting the students from anarchists', but the videos tell another story).

    Welcome to the new america, where you are free to sit down and shut the hell up.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I completely agree with you... but not only do they have the full riot gear, at nearly every major globalist meeting it can be shown (if not proven) that the violent elements are cops or paid instigators (black bloc). For the past 30-40 years every attempt has been made in the media to demonize protest as a fringe group of hippies and violent anarchists (while those are there too) and the focus is on anything and everything but the grievances of those out protesting.

    Now, having the army going out with, and taking the role of police, it should be becoming more and more evident that the government is trying to force a flashpoint where violence will erupt and the full force of the millitary can be unleashed against the american people to 'domesticate' them fully into accepting the new reality of doing what you're told. It's the new freedom to have cops assaulting a university, and beating down and arresting students (of course in the media they will say that they were 'protecting the students from anarchists', but the videos tell another story).

    Welcome to the new america, where you are free to sit down and shut the hell up.
    Look Dude your full of ****, you have no idea what your talking about I have already explain to you how and why the Penn. Army Guard Units were there, you have no idea on how and when a Guard Unit could and can be used by the Federal Govn. I suggest you just stop now because the more you post the more it show's how much of an moron you are on this subject.

    Also like I ask before show me the actual proof that in the following citieds,Seattle,London Pittsburg,Ottowa it was Polic whpo started the violance. You would think if they had then Esp. in London thast the Police woul dhave been charge same goes for Canada. Come pon you open your mouth time for you to either put up or shut the **** up on this subject.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    To me, the point of protesting is to spread awareness and, if necessary, dissent. How is the protest supposed to grow and gain more attention if it requires government permission and it can only be confined to a certain area?

    It's all about power and who has it. Think about the French Revolution. Even when tens of thousands were taking up arms to attack the government over legitimate problems, the government still tried to tell them that they were wrong and should stand down.

    Now, in modern times, we have the full arsenal of the riot squad and the military. They'll use any excuse to break up a protest that challenges neo-liberalism. That is how the modern establishment operates.
    Protest does not need government permission, it simply needs to be lawful. If I want to block off the streets holding a parade, I need a permit. If I want to block off a street holding a protest, I likewise need a permit. The law is blind to your reasons, only your actions.

    Contrast this protest to the 9/12 protest, where they did the ground work, got the permissions, and there where no arrests. The problem is not the police, it's the people who don't think the law applies to them.

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