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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    First off you need to get off your little kick about the Guard Units they aren't under the contol of the Federal Govn. the State(s) in this case Penn. control them always have controlled them.
    Yes, I understand that part... What's at issue here is that having the army getting into lockdowns of cities, installing checkpoints and such is helping to both blur the lines between millitary and police, which brings us a step closer to martial law. It's not the events of today, but the trends of how the events of the past escalate and continue to escalate into the future.

    Better yet, since the G-# protests occure ANYWHERE they meet, it could be fair to assume that there are at least SOME legitimate grievances, and since these are never addressed they grow, and so do the numbers... no matter what this is bassically forcing things to a flash point.

    So, while you did make your point that they are acting legally, the trend that's going on here (as well as the use of those sound cannons for the first time in the US, although they have been brought out previously they've never previously been turned on, that I know of at least). If you can't see that the G-#'s among other world elites are using these high profile meetings to force some sort of flash point...

    No they were issued a permit to gather and march in a certain area they violated the terms of the permit hence they were odrer by the Police to break up or be arrested. Please Note I said the Police under both Federal and State Laws and US Codes the National Guard have no authority to arrest Citz. of the United States what they do have is the right to help the Police which in this case was with traffic control and Delegate Protection.
    Thanks, I wasn't aware of the actual details, though previously protesting related permits have been denied... which is why I wanted to know the specifics/

    You really need to go and understand what the Guard can and can't do once again I suggest you start with the US Code I posted in this thread already and then go from their till you do this then I will not discuss this with you anymore because it is clear you have no idea what your talking about.
    Yes, you are right... though I'm used to, in these types of matters, finding that the actions are always just on the edge of the law.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No it isn't even in Washington DC you need to get a permit to hold March's the Supreme Court has ruled it no 1st Adm Violation requiring Large Groups to get Permits.
    I was stating my belief, not a fact.

    Do you seriously think that the government would give protesters a permit to demonstrate at the G-20 summit so blatantly? Yeah right.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I was stating my belief, not a fact.

    Do you seriously think that the government would give protesters a permit to demonstrate at the G-20 summit so blatantly? Yeah right.
    Yes they actually gave them the permit but they broke that by marching in an area that they weren't allow to go into. See here in the USA we still have these things called freedom(s) you might have heard of ity, I understand you are living in one of those great Commie Countrys so you migh tnot understand this but back when Pitt. was picked to be the host city many group filed permit and all but three were allowed (No I'm not sure which groups and why those permit weren't allowed) so yes the permit(s) were issued sorry you can't understand how things work here in the USA.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Yes they actually gave them the permit but they broke that by marching in an area that they weren't allow to go into. See here in the USA we still have these things called freedom(s) you might have heard of ity, I understand you are living in one of those great Commie Countrys so you migh tnot understand this but back when Pitt. was picked to be the host city many group filed permit and all but three were allowed (No I'm not sure which groups and why those permit weren't allowed) so yes the permit(s) were issued sorry you can't understand how things work here in the USA.
    You missed the point. If you want to protest, you shouldn't need a permit. It's your freedom to take to the streets. I know that a permit is required, it's the same in "commie" Canada where I live. That's not my point at all. Even having to apply to get permission to hold a protest is unacceptable.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    You missed the point. If you want to protest, you shouldn't need a permit. It's your freedom to take to the streets. I know that a permit is required, it's the same in "commie" Canada where I live. That's not my point at all. Even having to apply to get permission to hold a protest is unacceptable.
    Not according to the Supreme Court and that is the final say here in the Land of the Free.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    If you acquire a permit to protest you are not protesting.
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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Not according to the Supreme Court and that is the final say here in the Land of the Free.
    It's incredibly ironic (and telling) that you are lecturing me on freedom when I'm the one against asking permission to protest.

    Some things never change around here.

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8CNa_viKg0"]YouTube - Arrest at G20 Demonstrations, September 24, 2009[/ame]


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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    If you acquire a permit to protest you are not protesting.
    The reason why Cities require folks to get permit is if they cause damage to Puplic propurty or private they can be held finacially liable, See the Seattle G# riots and the aftermat.

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    Re: G-20 opponents, police clash on Pittsburgh streets

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    You missed the point. If you want to protest, you shouldn't need a permit. It's your freedom to take to the streets. I know that a permit is required, it's the same in "commie" Canada where I live. That's not my point at all. Even having to apply to get permission to hold a protest is unacceptable.
    You do not need a permit to protest. You do need one to block off a street. Protesting is not an excuse to ignore the law.

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