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    Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

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    32 mins ago BOSTON (Reuters)

    Paul Kirk, a former Democratic National Committee chairman and a close friend of the late Senator Edward Kennedy, was named on Thursday as a temporary replacement for the liberal champion in the U.S. Senate.

    Kirk, backed for the post by Kennedy's wife Victoria and his two sons, will fill the seat until voters in Massachusetts elect a permanent replacement in January. His appointment will restore a 60-seat Senate majority for the Democrats that could help President Barack Obama's push to overhaul healthcare.
    While I appreciate the reasons why he was appointed, I have to oppose the way it was done. Changing rules every time it is convenient is silly. Either allow the governor to pick a replacement, or don't, but don't change back and forth depending on the governor.

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

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    While I appreciate the reasons why he was appointed, I have to oppose the way it was done. Changing rules every time it is convenient is silly. Either allow the governor to pick a replacement, or don't, but don't change back and forth depending on the governor.

    Most in the State approve of the appointment.

    Pollster.com: MA: 2010 Sen Special (Suffolk 9/12-15)

    I don't see what the problem is. This is Democracy under the guidlines of their State Constitution.

    Elected representatives acted within Constitutional guidlines to change the rules in favor of their Party who control nearly 88% of the legislature.

    88% control along with the Governorship is a CLEAR MANDATE that citizens what Democrats in power.

    Of course right wingers are going to complain about this liberal State now having a voice in the Senate during the healthcare debate!

    Just like they complained when Texas, pushed by Tom Delay, broke with decades of precedent and gerrymandered it's Congressional districts out of turn to help remove Democrats.
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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Most in the State approve of the appointment.

    Pollster.com: MA: 2010 Sen Special (Suffolk 9/12-15)

    I don't see what the problem is. This is Democracy under the guidlines of their State Constitution.

    Elected representatives acted within Constitutional guidlines to change the rules in favor of their Party who control nearly 88% of the legislature.

    88% control along with the Governorship is a CLEAR MANDATE that citizens what Democrats in power.
    So it's ok that if they have a Republican in office they can change the rules to state that there would be an emergency election. But if there is a Democrat in office they can change the rule back to say that he can appoint a replacement?
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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So it's ok that if they have a Republican in office they can change the rules to state that there would be an emergency election. But if there is a Democrat in office they can change the rule back to say that he can appoint a replacement?
    They didn't change it back, they changed it again (to what I think is the right process). An interim appt until a special election is held. The people should decide Senators, we've seen too many problems with appointments. But the people also deserve representation, and not have the seat unfilled.

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    What happened to the Duke? It was looking like he was getting happy about a new, albeit temporary, title.

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So it's ok that if they have a Republican in office they can change the rules to state that there would be an emergency election. But if there is a Democrat in office they can change the rule back to say that he can appoint a replacement?
    Yes sir. That would be correct. As long as it's legal and Constitutional.

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    They didn't change it back, they changed it again (to what I think is the right process). An interim appt until a special election is held. The people should decide Senators, we've seen too many problems with appointments. But the people also deserve representation, and not have the seat unfilled.
    I understand that, and I think it's probably the better rule. I just have problems when they change the rule when a Republican was in charge to prevent him from naming an interim and then changing it again when a Democrat is in charge to allow him to name an interim. I think that's dirty pool.
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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    They didn't change it back, they changed it again (to what I think is the right process). An interim appt until a special election is held. The people should decide Senators, we've seen too many problems with appointments. But the people also deserve representation, and not have the seat unfilled.
    I agree with all of that, but the problem is that the rules that they themselves enacted said otherwise. I think consistency is important, and this idea that it is trivial to change the rules I think is a bad precedent.

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