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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Yes sir. That would be correct. As long as it's legal and Constitutional.
    It's horrible partisan politics and nothing more. I don't think honest people could actually support such measures.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I agree with all of that, but the problem is that the rules that they themselves enacted said otherwise. I think consistency is important, and this idea that it is trivial to change the rules I think is a bad precedent.
    What do you mean, the rules that they themselves enacted said otherwise? I'm not sure what you're referring to there.

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I understand that, and I think it's probably the better rule. I just have problems when they change the rule when a Republican was in charge to prevent him from naming an interim and then changing it again when a Democrat is in charge to allow him to name an interim. I think that's dirty pool.
    I think the '04 change was purely politically driven, and thus ended up with a bad policy enacted.

    Someone in one of the previous threads discussing the MA change said that the interim appt should be required to be of the same party as the person who previously held the seat. I think that's a change they should have included. Some states that still rely on appts do have this requirement (I think AZ is one?).

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    The contention is this:

    The change to state law to let an interim senator be named angered Republicans and some Democrats. They saw it as a hypocritical reversal of a law state Democrats passed in 2004 to prevent a Republican governor from naming a replacement for Democratic Senator John Kerry if he had won that year's presidential election.
    They changed the rule in 2004 to prevent the Republican governor (Mitt Romney) from being able to name a replacement if a seat became vacant. The legislature was worried that if Kerry were elected President (god help us all) that a Republican could name the interim senator. However, they reversed their position when it was a Democrat in office instead.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I think the '04 change was purely politically driven, and thus ended up with a bad policy enacted.
    I think both of these movements were purely politically driven. I wouldn't put it past them to go back to the 2004 law should a Republican again get the governorship and a seat opens up.
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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think both of these movements were purely politically driven. I wouldn't put it past them to go back to the 2004 law should a Republican again get the governorship and a seat opens up.
    I disagree, I do not think that would happen.

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Did someone above just suggest that Redress was a conservative?

    Just because somethings legal doesn't make it right. Its legal for me to go up to a friend in the bar and tell him I just heard from a friend that his sister's a two dollar whore and ask him if its true and whether she learned it from his mother. That doesn't make it right.

    I don't think there's anything legally wrong with the change in 2004, I do think it was extremely dirty partisan politics that was more concerned with political power than serving the people of the state.

    I don' think there's anything wrong with this, but again I think it is an extremely dirty partisan politics motivated action more concerned with political power than serving the people of the state.

    That said, I'm not against the change because I think the original way is how it SHOULD be. However, I don't applaud the Dem's for changing the rules because if they actually gave a damn they wouldn't have changed it in the first place, or they would've changed it earlier, rather than now trying to change it when they can take advantage of it.

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    What do you mean, the rules that they themselves enacted said otherwise? I'm not sure what you're referring to there.
    In 2004, democrats changed the law. Now, when the law is no longer convenient for their political ends, they change the law. If you can change the law to whatever is convenient politically, then laws lose their meaning to my mind. Since democrats changed the rules, they should have lived by those rules.

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Did someone above just suggest that Redress was a conservative?
    Where? Who's ass do I have to kick?

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    Re: Massachusetts names Kirk to fill Kennedy Senate seat

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where? Who's ass do I have to kick?
    Couldn't tell if Dragondad was refering to you specifically or complainers in general

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Of course right wingers are going to complain about this liberal State now having a voice in the Senate during the healthcare debate!

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