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Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

Catz Part Deux

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Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh at the G-20? - Yahoo! News

The anarchists came to Pittsburgh to prepare to disrupt the G-20 Summit. But they quickly saw signs that made them believe that someone, or some entity, was prepared for them too. "Obviously, repression has already started," Pittsburgh anarchist Alex Bradley told a gathering of anti-authoritarians - the Pittsburgh G-20 Resistance Project - in a closed-door meeting on Sept. 20.

...With so much public nervousness, the city hasn't hidden its preparations against the protests. Since Pittsburgh's May selection by the White House as the site for the summit, the city has proclaimed that it is readying up to 1,000 jail cells for protesters, importing 3,100 law enforcement officers from around the country to supplement its 900-member force, and mobilizing 2,000 National Guard troops. The City Council passed new laws (set to expire Sept. 30) targeting the possession of certain tools and "noxious substances" - items allegedly thrown or used to blockade space at protests elsewhere.
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I am interested to watch the spectacle. One thing that I'll say about Pittsburgh Bureau of Police versus Seattle PD, they are VERY different police departments. Pittsburgh does not play, and does not have the same liberal law enforcement policies that Seattle does.
 
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Having this meeting in Pittsburg is a disgusting gesture. We lost Pittsburg and the Steel Belt because of Globalization so **** the G20 and it is a disgrace they are having it in the city. Its like having a prison release party in the house of the rape victim.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh at the G-20? - Yahoo! News



I am interested to watch the spectacle. One thing that I'll say about Pittsburgh Bureau of Police versus Seattle PD, they are VERY different police departments. Pittsburgh does not play, and does not have the same liberal law enforcement policies that Seattle does.
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I feel conflicted on this issue. I hate globalist scum bag politicians who sell this country out and at the same time I think anarchist are bunch of loons. I think globalist scum should never feel welcomed anywhere in this country but at the same time they should be allowed the same right to speak as Nazi,KKK,Black Panthers, PETA, Code Pink and other scum. If these protest result in no more G-20 meetings in the US then so be it.
 
OxymoronP said:
Having this meeting in Pittsburg is a disgusting gesture. We lost Pittsburg and the Steel Belt because of Globalization so **** the G20 and it is a disgrace they are having it in the city. Its like having a prison release party in the house of the rape victim.
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I think its more like a prison release party in the house of the rape victim with the rape victim serving jello shots and body shots to the rapist and making the victim pay for the whole shindig. The G-20 meeting is basically rubbing their nose it.
 
jamesrage said:
at the same time they should be allowed the same right to speak as Nazi,KKK,Black Panthers, PETA, Code Pink and other scum. If these protest result in no more G-20 meetings in the US then so be it.
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The right to speak? Yes. The right to force others NOT to speak? should be dealt with swiftly and severely. Given that their goal is to shut the meetings down, I have no particular remorse over their asses being kicked from the Strip District to Shadyside.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
The right to speak? Yes. The right to force others NOT to speak? should be dealt with swiftly and severely. Given that their goal is to shut the meetings down, I have no particular remorse over their asses being kicked from the Strip District to Shadyside.
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Yeah, but they can't actually shut it down. Instead they are protesting and that's all fine and dandy. Plus I don't trust those bastards in that meeting either, it's always for their pockets and screw the People sort of ****. If your goal was to get the protesters beaten to a pulp, you should have it in Chicago. The cops there will beat you for no reason, and then if you give them a reason forget about it. They love cracking skulls.
 
OxymoronP said:
Cant wait to pass my Police exam :mrgreen:
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Oh that's great:roll:

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I still find it rather odd that US citizens are complaining about globalization. Your standard of living is much higher because of it, and the economy that much more competitive.
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, but they can't actually shut it down.
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Theyhave the capacity to cause major mayhem and expense for the residents of Pittsburgh. Protesting is fine, but that's not what these folks are about.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Oh that's great:roll:

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I still find it rather odd that US citizens are complaining about globalization. Your standard of living is much higher because of it, and the economy that much more competitive.
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Yeah right, tell that to the millions of unemployed. You can take your Globalization and shove it down where the sun dont shine. I like trade, I like fair trade, trade that is beneficial to my nation and people, not to some third world **** hole.
 
OxymoronP said:
Yeah right, tell that to the millions of unemployed. You can take your Globalization and shove it down where the sun dont shine. I like trade, I like fair trade, trade that is beneficial to my nation and people, not to some third world **** hole.
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The millions of unemployed are not unemployed because of globalization. They are unemployed because of the crap decisions our government has made in trying to control our economy. Allowing the government to further those restrictions on free trade to promote nationalism isn't going to fix anything.

Restricted free trade is not free trade.
 
Gibberish said:
Allowing the government to further those restrictions on free trade to promote nationalism isn't going to fix anything.

Restricted free trade is not free trade.
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I dont want free trade, I want fair trade.



The millions of unemployed are not unemployed because of globalization. They are unemployed because of the crap decisions our government has made in trying to control our economy.
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Yes crap decisions like destroying our manufacturing and small business base by allowing Corporations to make a killing outsourcing jobs and wealth.
 
OxymoronP said:
I dont want free trade, I want fair trade.
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What is fair about limiting the potential of a companies growth?






OxymoronP said:
Yes crap decisions like destroying our manufacturing and small business base by allowing Corporations to make a killing outsourcing jobs and wealth.
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Which in turn allows those products to be cheaper and more affordable to the general populace, allows the company to increase in size and profits making hundreds or thousands of American citizens who invest in these companies wealthier.

Globalization is inevitable and, if done right, is a benefit to the American and the outsourced country.
 
What is fair about limiting the potential of a companies growth?
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That growth shoudl not come at the expence of the people.
Thus a totally free market is basically only free for the powerful, and thus it is not a fair market and the forces of supply and demand become mute. Since a single corporation controls both supply and demand through control over media and goverment aparatus through lobbying.





Which in turn allows those products to be cheaper and more affordable to the general populace, allows the company to increase in size and profits making hundreds or thousands of American citizens who invest in these companies wealthier.
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SO you bought into their American dream illusion? It doesnt work like that, a few get rich by ****ing the general population, under our current garage sale of our nation.

Globalization is inevitable and, if done right, is a benefit to the American and the outsourced country
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Nothing is inevitable. If done right we can sink this disaster before we all go down.
 
OxymoronP said:
That growth shoudl not come at the expence of the people.
Thus a totally free market is basically only free for the powerful, and thus it is not a fair market and the forces of supply and demand become mute. Since a single corporation controls both supply and demand through control over media and goverment aparatus through lobbying.
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This can happen with or without globalization.

Do I take it you are ok with a company moving plants across state lines and firing hundreds or thousands of people in the process but some how it's wrong to do the same thing across country lines?

Where is the outcry for destroying the use of automation? Automating current process to be more efficient thus requiring less workers to do the same job? That's ok? Can I replace all my workers with machines as long as those machines are in the US?



OxymoronP said:
SO you bought into their American dream illusion? It doesnt work like that, a few get rich by ****ing the general population, under our current garage sale of our nation.
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I bought into it and am reaping the rewards of my investment. The few that are rich are the ones with the intellect to actual invest their money into companies rather then blow it on the newest big screen TV or 100 $40 PS3 games.

Why should the educated and savvy suffer because some people are to lazy or stupid to do anything with their lives but grasp at long gone 1950s life?

OxymoronP said:
Nothing is inevitable. If done right we can sink this disaster before we all go down.
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Yes let's close our borders and seclude ourselves form the world business wise and let the world grow up and more powerful around us. Great idea, let me know how that goes.
 
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OxymoronP said:
Yeah right, tell that to the millions of unemployed. You can take your Globalization and shove it down where the sun dont shine. I like trade, I like fair trade, trade that is beneficial to my nation and people, not to some third world **** hole.
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No need to make shady comments because you cannot logically defend your position. If anything, globalization has hindered the developing world. Globalization was "supposed to be" the tide that lifted all boats, but what we found out was, not all boats were lifted, and not so in a liquid (equal) manner. It was the most developed countries (like the US) that have benefited the most from globalization.

WTF is fair anyway?
 
OxymoronP said:
Yes crap decisions like destroying our manufacturing and small business base by allowing Corporations to make a killing outsourcing jobs and wealth.
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What a fascinating argument; but it ignores the efforts of the unions who instead of working with American Corporations chose to work against them and fight for wages and benefits that made the companies unprofitable in this global economy.

What a fascinating argument; but it ignores the fact that the US consumer who having a choice as to where to spend their money chose less expensive products manufactured by non-union labor.

The FACT here is that Corporations rightly will try to maximize profits and it would be asinine for one NOT to. The fact here also is that confronted with high taxes and high labor costs, it made better sense to outsource that labor and those costs.

If the American Unions of this country did not attempt to ruin the companies they work for and instead worked in the interest of an ongoing profitable concern, more of them would be employed.

I worked for several years in a company as a machinist and was a member of the Machinists Union; don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about because I can tell you first hand the number of times I was told to SLOW down production in the interest of hiring MORE people or getting OVERTIME by the shop stewards.

The US Consumer will pay more for a quality product; the problem occurred when the consumer could not distinguish the Union made expensive products from the cheaper alternatives.

So please, instead of running off on uninformed populist, Socialist type rants, let's look at the WHOLE picture of what has occurred in areas like Michigan and Pennsylvania; which was the same thing that happened to the Cotton Mills of the SE and forced them all to close and move operations offshore.
 
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What a fascinating argument; but it ignores the efforts of the unions who instead of working with American Corporations chose to work against them and fight for wages and benefits that made the companies unprofitable in this global economy.

What a fascinating argument; but it ignores the fact that the US consumer who having a choice as to where to spend their money chose less expensive products manufactured by non-union labor.

The FACT here is that Corporations rightly will try to maximize profits and it would be asinine for one NOT to. The fact here also is that confronted with high taxes and high labor costs, it made better sense to outsource that labor and those costs.

If the American Unions of this country did not attempt to ruin the companies they work for and instead worked in the interest of an ongoing profitable concern, more of them would be employed.

I worked for several years in a company as a machinist and was a member of the Machinists Union; don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about because I can tell you first hand the number of times I was told to SLOW down production in the interest of hiring MORE people or getting OVERTIME by the shop stewards.

The US Consumer will pay more for a quality product; the problem occurred when the consumer could not distinguish the Union made expensive products from the cheaper alternatives.

So please, instead of running off on uninformed populist, Socialist type rants, let's look at the WHOLE picture of what has occurred in areas like Michigan and Pennsylvania; which was the same thing that happened to the Cotton Mills of the SE and forced them all to close and move operations offshore.
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You have it nailed to a T.

The notion that foreign goods are inferior to American goods is utter garbage. To put it in real terms, as a persons income increases, they tend to purchase _______ goods more so than ______ goods.

The correct answer: foreign goods more so than domestic goods. If i win the lottery tomorrow, i will most likely purchase an Italian sports car, French wine, German kitchen appliances, Japanese cutlery, etc....

This type of consumer behavior is characteristic in other nations as well. They truly prefer American movies in Paris, American processors basically everywhere, and formerly American financial products in Beijing. Due to protectionist policies, it is cheaper for me to purchase a French riveting equipment in Germany, but there are many companies in Germany who prefer Fastenal products over Bosch and Still. IMHO, Fastenal is both the most expensive and of the highest quality you can find.
 
This can happen with or without globalization.

Do I take it you are ok with a company moving plants across state lines and firing hundreds or thousands of people in the process but some how it's wrong to do the same thing across country lines?
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I am a Nationalist, and see all states as American. If a Company moves to another state thats fine by me. Moving to another country is taking away tax dollars, jobs, etc from our nation that I cannot endorse.

Where is the outcry for destroying the use of automation? Automating current process to be more efficient thus requiring less workers to do the same job? That's ok? Can I replace all my workers with machines as long as those machines are in the US?
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Automation didnt close those factories in Pittsburg, since production fell not only the number of factories and employees. Also automation doesnt affect small business who are caught between "free" Trade abroad and over regulation at home. We have to compete on uneven terms, which makes it an unfair market.


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Yes let's close our borders and seclude ourselves form the world business wise and let the world grow up and more powerful around us. Great idea, let me know how that goes.
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I never said close trade, I am simply stating that we shoudl de
 
OxymoronP said:
Having this meeting in Pittsburgh is a disgusting gesture. We lost Pittsburgh and the Steel Belt because of Globalization so **** the G20 and it is a disgrace they are having it in the city. Its like having a prison release party in the house of the rape victim.
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I didn't even think about that...it is a particularly ****ed up place to hold a globalization meeting.

Still, having the actual meeting there can't hurt the city's economy.

Pittsburgh is on the verge of loosing its airport, and it's already lost almost all rail connection (only once a day on amtrak). No megabus or boltbus connection and greyhound charges 50-60 bucks. Getting to Pittsburgh is actually really hard if you don't have a car.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
You have it nailed to a T.

The notion that foreign goods are inferior to American goods is utter garbage. To put it in real terms, as a persons income increases, they tend to purchase _______ goods more so than ______ goods.

The correct answer: foreign goods more so than domestic goods. If i win the lottery tomorrow, i will most likely purchase an Italian sports car, French wine, German kitchen appliances, Japanese cutlery, etc....

This type of consumer behavior is characteristic in other nations as well. They truly prefer American movies in Paris, American processors basically everywhere, and formerly American financial products in Beijing. Due to protectionist policies, it is cheaper for me to purchase a French riveting equipment in Germany, but there are many companies in Germany who prefer Fastenal products over Bosch and Still. IMHO, Fastenal is both the most expensive and of the highest quality you can find.
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Let us also NOT forget that many quality European automobile manufacturers also choose to produce their products in the USA based on the high quality skilled labor which is still cheaper than their own nations; they just choose to not locate in Detroit or Northeast where Unions reign and instead produce as good a product in the SE paying an equivalent wage to Unions.
 
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Pittsburgh is on the verge of loosing its airport, and it's already lost almost all rail connection (only once a day on amtrak). No megabus or boltbus connection and greyhound charges 50-60 bucks. Getting to Pittsburgh is actually really hard if you don't have a car.
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This is news to me. If it is true, I was not aware Pittsburgh was turning into another Detroit.
 
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