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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Oh that's great

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    I still find it rather odd that US citizens are complaining about globalization. Your standard of living is much higher because of it, and the economy that much more competitive.
    Yeah right, tell that to the millions of unemployed. You can take your Globalization and shove it down where the sun dont shine. I like trade, I like fair trade, trade that is beneficial to my nation and people, not to some third world **** hole.


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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Yeah right, tell that to the millions of unemployed. You can take your Globalization and shove it down where the sun dont shine. I like trade, I like fair trade, trade that is beneficial to my nation and people, not to some third world **** hole.
    The millions of unemployed are not unemployed because of globalization. They are unemployed because of the crap decisions our government has made in trying to control our economy. Allowing the government to further those restrictions on free trade to promote nationalism isn't going to fix anything.

    Restricted free trade is not free trade.
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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Allowing the government to further those restrictions on free trade to promote nationalism isn't going to fix anything.

    Restricted free trade is not free trade.
    I dont want free trade, I want fair trade.



    The millions of unemployed are not unemployed because of globalization. They are unemployed because of the crap decisions our government has made in trying to control our economy.

    Yes crap decisions like destroying our manufacturing and small business base by allowing Corporations to make a killing outsourcing jobs and wealth.


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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    I dont want free trade, I want fair trade.
    What is fair about limiting the potential of a companies growth?






    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Yes crap decisions like destroying our manufacturing and small business base by allowing Corporations to make a killing outsourcing jobs and wealth.
    Which in turn allows those products to be cheaper and more affordable to the general populace, allows the company to increase in size and profits making hundreds or thousands of American citizens who invest in these companies wealthier.

    Globalization is inevitable and, if done right, is a benefit to the American and the outsourced country.
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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    What is fair about limiting the potential of a companies growth?
    That growth shoudl not come at the expence of the people.
    Thus a totally free market is basically only free for the powerful, and thus it is not a fair market and the forces of supply and demand become mute. Since a single corporation controls both supply and demand through control over media and goverment aparatus through lobbying.





    Which in turn allows those products to be cheaper and more affordable to the general populace, allows the company to increase in size and profits making hundreds or thousands of American citizens who invest in these companies wealthier.

    SO you bought into their American dream illusion? It doesnt work like that, a few get rich by ****ing the general population, under our current garage sale of our nation.

    Globalization is inevitable and, if done right, is a benefit to the American and the outsourced country
    Nothing is inevitable. If done right we can sink this disaster before we all go down.


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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    That growth shoudl not come at the expence of the people.
    Thus a totally free market is basically only free for the powerful, and thus it is not a fair market and the forces of supply and demand become mute. Since a single corporation controls both supply and demand through control over media and goverment aparatus through lobbying.
    This can happen with or without globalization.

    Do I take it you are ok with a company moving plants across state lines and firing hundreds or thousands of people in the process but some how it's wrong to do the same thing across country lines?

    Where is the outcry for destroying the use of automation? Automating current process to be more efficient thus requiring less workers to do the same job? That's ok? Can I replace all my workers with machines as long as those machines are in the US?



    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    SO you bought into their American dream illusion? It doesnt work like that, a few get rich by ****ing the general population, under our current garage sale of our nation.
    I bought into it and am reaping the rewards of my investment. The few that are rich are the ones with the intellect to actual invest their money into companies rather then blow it on the newest big screen TV or 100 $40 PS3 games.

    Why should the educated and savvy suffer because some people are to lazy or stupid to do anything with their lives but grasp at long gone 1950s life?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Nothing is inevitable. If done right we can sink this disaster before we all go down.
    Yes let's close our borders and seclude ourselves form the world business wise and let the world grow up and more powerful around us. Great idea, let me know how that goes.
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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Yeah right, tell that to the millions of unemployed. You can take your Globalization and shove it down where the sun dont shine. I like trade, I like fair trade, trade that is beneficial to my nation and people, not to some third world **** hole.
    No need to make shady comments because you cannot logically defend your position. If anything, globalization has hindered the developing world. Globalization was "supposed to be" the tide that lifted all boats, but what we found out was, not all boats were lifted, and not so in a liquid (equal) manner. It was the most developed countries (like the US) that have benefited the most from globalization.

    WTF is fair anyway?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    WTF is fair anyway?
    Apparently "fair" is anything that benefits blue collar workers in the short term and limits company growth.
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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Yes crap decisions like destroying our manufacturing and small business base by allowing Corporations to make a killing outsourcing jobs and wealth.
    What a fascinating argument; but it ignores the efforts of the unions who instead of working with American Corporations chose to work against them and fight for wages and benefits that made the companies unprofitable in this global economy.

    What a fascinating argument; but it ignores the fact that the US consumer who having a choice as to where to spend their money chose less expensive products manufactured by non-union labor.

    The FACT here is that Corporations rightly will try to maximize profits and it would be asinine for one NOT to. The fact here also is that confronted with high taxes and high labor costs, it made better sense to outsource that labor and those costs.

    If the American Unions of this country did not attempt to ruin the companies they work for and instead worked in the interest of an ongoing profitable concern, more of them would be employed.

    I worked for several years in a company as a machinist and was a member of the Machinists Union; don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about because I can tell you first hand the number of times I was told to SLOW down production in the interest of hiring MORE people or getting OVERTIME by the shop stewards.

    The US Consumer will pay more for a quality product; the problem occurred when the consumer could not distinguish the Union made expensive products from the cheaper alternatives.

    So please, instead of running off on uninformed populist, Socialist type rants, let's look at the WHOLE picture of what has occurred in areas like Michigan and Pennsylvania; which was the same thing that happened to the Cotton Mills of the SE and forced them all to close and move operations offshore.

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    Re: Will Anarchists Reign in Pittsburgh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What a fascinating argument; but it ignores the efforts of the unions who instead of working with American Corporations chose to work against them and fight for wages and benefits that made the companies unprofitable in this global economy.

    What a fascinating argument; but it ignores the fact that the US consumer who having a choice as to where to spend their money chose less expensive products manufactured by non-union labor.

    The FACT here is that Corporations rightly will try to maximize profits and it would be asinine for one NOT to. The fact here also is that confronted with high taxes and high labor costs, it made better sense to outsource that labor and those costs.

    If the American Unions of this country did not attempt to ruin the companies they work for and instead worked in the interest of an ongoing profitable concern, more of them would be employed.

    I worked for several years in a company as a machinist and was a member of the Machinists Union; don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about because I can tell you first hand the number of times I was told to SLOW down production in the interest of hiring MORE people or getting OVERTIME by the shop stewards.

    The US Consumer will pay more for a quality product; the problem occurred when the consumer could not distinguish the Union made expensive products from the cheaper alternatives.

    So please, instead of running off on uninformed populist, Socialist type rants, let's look at the WHOLE picture of what has occurred in areas like Michigan and Pennsylvania; which was the same thing that happened to the Cotton Mills of the SE and forced them all to close and move operations offshore.
    You have it nailed to a T.

    The notion that foreign goods are inferior to American goods is utter garbage. To put it in real terms, as a persons income increases, they tend to purchase _______ goods more so than ______ goods.

    The correct answer: foreign goods more so than domestic goods. If i win the lottery tomorrow, i will most likely purchase an Italian sports car, French wine, German kitchen appliances, Japanese cutlery, etc....

    This type of consumer behavior is characteristic in other nations as well. They truly prefer American movies in Paris, American processors basically everywhere, and formerly American financial products in Beijing. Due to protectionist policies, it is cheaper for me to purchase a French riveting equipment in Germany, but there are many companies in Germany who prefer Fastenal products over Bosch and Still. IMHO, Fastenal is both the most expensive and of the highest quality you can find.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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