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Census worker hanged, "FED" written on his chest

Blackdog said:
You are trying to paint this as some kind of right or left issue and anti government sentiment comes from both sides. It is your silly partisan politics forcing you to take an extreme view of everything around you. It is sad really.
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I feel sorry for this man and his family. When all is said and done, he died in a heinous, tragic way that has to be terribly painful for them to think about.

He's a crime victim, not a political football.
 
Blackdog said:
None of the several articles said it did and said it is most likely other things, every article.

Do you have evidence showing otherwise?



He went with the most likely cause, not the least likely, Occam's razor.

You are trying to paint this as some kind of right or left issue and anti government sentiment comes from both sides. It is your silly partisan politics forcing you to take an extreme view of everything around you. It is sad really.

As for the incident itself, Occam's razor seems to be in effect in the articles. You should follow suit and stop trying to blame everything on some kind of evil violent right wing crap.
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The circumstances of his death have given rise to speculation in the US media that Sparkman was killed because of his connection to the federal government at a time of rising dissent against what some see as Washington meddling in people's daily lives.

Some reporters have also theorised that Sparkman's work for the Census Bureau - which is a federal government agency - linked him in the minds of his killers in conservative, mainly white rural Kentucky with President Barack Obama, the first black US president.
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There's media speculation from msn that he was killed for political reasons. That enough for you to at least concede it was a possibility?

US police probe 'Fed' worker death
 
Blackdog said:
And the political hackery continues from the left and right. :roll:

Thank you for a perfect example of what I was talking about.
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It would be more accurate to say that political hackery continues from the political hacks. I don't think that most of either the left or right wants to claim these hacks.
 
the makeout hobo said:
from the AP



He duct tape on his eyes and his neck, and his Census ID was taped on him. Can you give me any self-suffocation case even similar?
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Yes, I can actually. Are you sure you want to see them?

If so, I'll pm them to you.


I've been looking some of them up on the web, since I knew that someone would ask.
 
AP Exclusive: Son sure Ky. census taker was slain
By JEFFREY McMURRAY (AP) – 6 hours ago

LONDON, Ky. — Josh Sparkman lost the only family he ever really had when his census worker father was found hanging from a tree in rural Kentucky, his feet and hands duct-taped and the word "fed" scrawled on his chest.

Now the 19-year-old wants answers from investigators who will not even confirm Bill Sparkman was slain more than two weeks after his body was found.

"I look at it as disrespectful to be still throwing suicide and accident around," Josh Sparkman told The Associated Press in a phone interview Tuesday. "He didn't do this to himself. That's dishonorable. My dad was a good man. No person on this planet is going to fight cancer like he did, then turn around and kill himself a year or so later."

The Associated Press: AP Exclusive: Son sure Ky. census taker was slain
 
I have nothing but sympathy for the son, whatever happened to his father.

I also must stress, very, very firmly that if his father died as I guess in an accident, this does not detract from his accomplishments, value to his community, love for his family or anything else admirable about him on iota.

We all have things in our private lives that we'd not want generally known. I suspect that most of us have secrets we'd consider dying to protect.

This class of activities that I suspect the gentleman was engaged in are dangerous, and very hard for survivors to understand if the secret is revealed through death. I read somewhere years ago, that the first reaction of survivors is often to prefer to believe that the death was a murder or even a suicide rather than an accident of this sort.

I don't want anyone to think that my guess as to the cause of death in any way condemns the victim, even if true. At most, I condemn the rush of many people in the media, other forums and some blogs to categorize this automatically as a political murder. It may be, but the evidence is far from complete.

Does anyone know, by the way, if the FBI has taken over the investigation, as I expect they would if the investigators believe it to be a political murder of a federal employee?
 
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Oftencold said:
I have nothing but sympathy for the son, whatever happened to his father.

I also must stress, very, very firmly that if his father died as I guess in an accident, this does not detract from his accomplishments, value to his community, love for his family or anything else admirable about him on iota.

We all have things in our private lives that we'd not want generally known. I suspect that most of us have secrets we'd consider dying to protect.

This class of activities that I suspect the gentleman was engaged in are dangerous, and very hard for survivors to understand if the secret is revealed through death. I read somewhere years ago, that the first reaction of survivors is often to prefer to believe that the death was a murder or even a suicide rather than an accident of this sort.

I don't want anyone to think that my guess as to the cause of death in any way condemns the victim, even if true. At most, I condemn the rush of many people in the media, other forums and some blogs to categorize this automatically as a political murder. It may be, but the evidence is far from complete.

Does anyone know, by the way, if the FBI has taken over the investigation, as I expect they would if the investigators believe it to be a political murder of a federal employee?
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So it is your position that this man died a accidental death? If so what exactly are you basing that prediction on? What "Class of activity" do you suspect this man was engaged in?
 
Ethereal said:
But why some worthless, piss-ant census worker?
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Why do anti-government groups of all ideologies kill irrelevant fat cops? Why lynch snot nosed white kids trying to register black voters? Attention. The position of a person's is unimportant if one finds they are representative of an organization/group they oppose. The FACT that they wrote FED on this person is enough for me to know that they didn't really care about who he was as much as who he worked for.

The guy probably stumbled upon some drug producers who didn't want him exposing or compromising their operation. Rabid anti-government sentiment in certain parts of Appalachia has predated the existence of any tea-parties or conservative marches on Washington. Occam’s razor points to this.
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Probability means nothing.
 
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goldendog said:
So it is your position that this man died a accidental death? If so what exactly are you basing that prediction on? What "Class of activity" do you suspect this man was engaged in?
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Have y6ou read my other posts in this thread?

I suspect, strongly, that he died of autoerotic suffocation. The scene, from what descriptions have leaked out, sounds like a classic example:
  • clothes off, but not socks as though someone were concerned for his comfort
  • clothes nearby in waiting vehicle that may have been his
  • bondage elements, including tape around neck which may have been to protect the neck from injury
  • feet in contact with the ground
  • no reports of signs of violence other than the hanging itself

As I say, this is my guess, and I strongly suspect that it's correct, if for no other reason than the obvious reluctance of the authorities to declare the incident a homicide. It seems obvious that they no something we don't.

The main argument against my supposition from the supposed facts that have leaked or been released is that his hands were reportedly bound. However, people involved in bondage often find ingenious ways to simulate bound hands.

So, we'll have to wait for a proper verdict.
 
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Oftencold said:
Have y6ou read my other posts in this thread?

I suspect, strongly, that he died of autoerotic suffocation. The scene, from what descriptions have leaked out, sounds like a classic example:
  • clothes off, but not socks as though someone were concerned for his comfort
  • clothes nearby in waiting vehicle that may have been his
  • bondage elements, including tape around neck which may have been to protect the neck from injury
  • feet in contact with the ground
  • no reports of signs of violence other than the hanging itself

As I say, this is my guess, and I strongly suspect that it's correct, if for no other reason than the obvious reluctance of the authorities to declare the incident a homicide. It seems obvious that they no something we don't.

The main argument against my supposition from the supposed facts that have leaked or been released is that his hands were reportedly bound. However, people involved in bondage often find ingenious ways to simulate bound hands.

So, we'll have to wait for a proper verdict.
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I think that there is a 99.9999% chance that you are dead wrong. There is absolutely ZERO that has come out that points in that direction. Even today his son came out demanding to know what the investigators know. I think the son would know if his dad had these tendencies and would most probably be hesitant to come out publicly demanding information from authorties.
 
goldendog said:
I think that there is a 99.9999% chance that you are dead wrong. There is absolutely ZERO that has come out that points in that direction. Even today his son came out demanding to know what the investigators know. I think the son would know if his dad had these tendencies and would most probably be hesitant to come out publicly demanding information from authorties.
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Well, I've said my piece, and stressed that it's an informed guess. but if you want to read up to the topic, (I can't really recommend this, it's very disturbing stuff,) you'll discover that frequently the wives of people who engage in this practice first find out about it when the husband of many years is found dead.

This is a taboo subject, and I fault no one for finding it bizarre, and therefore implausible.
 
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Oftencold said:
Well, I've said my piece, and stressed that it's an informed guess. but if you want to read up to the topic, (I can't really recommend this, it's very disturbing stuff,) you'll discover that frequently the wives of people who engage in this practice first find out about it when the husband of many years is found dead.

This is a taboo subject, and I fault no one for finding it bizarre, and therefore implausible.
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I would imagine that there are thousands of people out there who find duct tape wrapped around their face, neck and feet while hanging from a rope with a sock stuffed rag stuffed into their mouth erotic. Thousands.
 
Duct tape, neoprene suits, rope and plastic bags. As I told someone else, I can send you photos I've collected since yesterday from the net, but I don't recommend it.

You may disagree, certainly, but please stop suggesting that I'm posting with out research.
 
Oftencold said:
Duct tape, neoprene suits, rope and plastic bags. As I told someone else, I can send you photos I've collected since yesterday from the net, but I don't recommend it.

You may disagree, certainly, but please stop suggesting that I'm posting with out research.
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Excuse me but the only thing you have suggested is that in both cases, Your photos of people SUBMITTING to being tied up and the case of this man who you have NO PROOF what so ever that he SUBMITTED to being hung from a tree with duct tape wrapped around his face, neck and feet with his badge taped to his neck and political stuff scrawled on his chest in red felt tip pen.

They only related in comparision by the fact they that both involve being tied up.
 
OK, I've told you numerous times now, apparently using words beyond your comprehension, that I have made an informed guess. You seem unable or unwilling to engage in civil discourse, so I shall leave you to rant alone.

Carry on.
 
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Oftencold said:
OK, I've told you numerous times now, apparently using words beyond your comprehension, that i have made an informed guess. You seem unable or unwilling to engage in civil discourse, so I shall leave you to rant alone.

Carry on.
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I to am making an informed guess. Take the timing of it (killed on 9/11 and found on 9/12) and the caustic hatefilled rehetoric surrounding polititics in general. A LYNCHING of a Federal employee along with a political message scrawled across his chest. With his employee badge taped to his neck.
I'm saying it was a politically motivated murder.

And there is ZERO pointing to anything sexually related. Like signs of sexual assaut. If there is any feel free to let us know?
 
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goldendog said:
I to am making an informed guess. Take the timing of it (killed on 9/11 and found on 9/12) and the caustic hatefilled rehetoric surrounding polititics in general. A LYNCHING of a Federal employee along with a political message scrawled across his chest. With his employee badge taped to his neck.
I'm saying it was a politically motivated murder.

And there is ZERO pointing to anything sexually related. Like signs of sexual assaut. If there is any feel free to let us know?
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Well, this is a little better. But there would be no evidence of a sexual assault, since I'm positing that this may have been the result of a voluntary sexual act.

Supposedly 500 to 1000 men die this way in Great Britain every year. Articles stress that coroners have a great incentive to "blur" the cause of death on documents in such cases, simply stating the the deceased suffered a "misadventure," or "accident."
 
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goldendog said:
I to am making an informed guess. Take the timing of it (killed on 9/11 and found on 9/12) and the caustic hatefilled rehetoric surrounding polititics in general. A LYNCHING of a Federal employee along with a political message scrawled across his chest. With his employee badge taped to his neck.
I'm saying it was a politically motivated murder.

And there is ZERO pointing to anything sexually related. Like signs of sexual assaut. If there is any feel free to let us know?
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He was NOT killed on 9/11. Why do you keep saying that???
 
goldendog said:
Here are some things you can either ignore or not.

This was done on or around 9-11.

This person was a federal worker and the people the did this knew it.

He was lynched.

A political message was scrawed upon his body.
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Something else we can't ignore is the simple fact that the 9/12 march on Washington resulted in 0 arrests while the protest at the G-20 had 60 arrests and a riot.... seems if you are going to get into a conspiracy theory here you would look at the violent party.... the libs.

I'm thinking that this is another attempt by the vast left wing conspiracy to do violence and blame the peaceful right.

I mean, look at who showed up at town hall meetings and beat up people…. Yup, the liberal unions.
 
Oftencold said:
Does anyone know, by the way, if the FBI has taken over the investigation, as I expect they would if the investigators believe it to be a political murder of a federal employee?
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Yes, they've been involved since the beginning, and still are, according to all the news reports I've seen.
 
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