• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Census worker hanged, "FED" written on his chest

Catz Part Deux said:
Also, there is no such thing as a "typical" meth head. They do crazy, illogical, paranoid things. Tweakers are not crackheads.
Click to expand...
true, tweakers are far from logical. but their closets are perfectly arranged and color coded.
 
liblady said:
just typical tweakers, then. kentucky is certainly known for meth.
Click to expand...


Why would the FBI be involved in a meth killing? I've heard it said that they are involved b/c killing of a federal worker b/c of their job is a federal crime, and that's the only reason the FBI would be involved.


But, I haven't heard anyone say anything about the body being found on nat'l forest grounds. Wouldn't that also be a reason for FBI to be involved?


If the FBI is not involved b/c of the location of the body, then I think it's unlikely it's just a typical meth or other drug killing. That would be state and local police, wouldn't it?
 
jackalope said:
Why would the FBI be involved in a meth killing? I've heard it said that they are involved b/c killing of a federal worker b/c of their job is a federal crime, and that's the only reason the FBI would be involved.


But, I haven't heard anyone say anything about the body being found on nat'l forest grounds. Wouldn't that also be a reason for FBI to be involved?


If the FBI is not involved b/c of the location of the body, then I think it's unlikely it's just a typical meth or other drug killing. That would be state and local police, wouldn't it?
Click to expand...
federal worker, i imagine. i don't really know the answer. my point was at this juncture it could be many things. could be people who hate government, period, not just the current government.

what do you think?
 
jackalope said:
Why would the FBI be involved in a meth killing? I've heard it said that they are involved b/c killing of a federal worker b/c of their job is a federal crime, and that's the only reason the FBI would be involved.
Click to expand...

I'd imagine if the Census worker was on the job or believed to be on the job at the time of the killing the FBI would want to look into it regardless of whether or not it was DUE to his job as a federal employee to be able to find out.
 
liblady said:
federal worker, i imagine. i don't really know the answer. my point was at this juncture it could be many things. could be people who hate government, period, not just the current government.

what do you think?
Click to expand...

I think the whole thing is troubling, and I don't know the reason why, but I don't find the argument that this was a meth killing convincing, solely b/c of the continued presence of FBI in the investigation, a couple weeks after the killing. Although, it could be for the reason Zyph said. I honestly do wonder about the site of the killing, and if that's a reason the fed is involved (fed lands), but I haven't heard anyone say anything about that. If it's not fed lands, it has to be b/c of his job, I'd think.


Zyphlin said:
I'd imagine if the Census worker was on the job or believed to be on the job at the time of the killing the FBI would want to look into it regardless of whether or not it was DUE to his job as a federal employee to be able to find out.
Click to expand...

That could very well be, Zyph.
 
jackalope said:
Why would the FBI be involved in a meth killing? I've heard it said that they are involved b/c killing of a federal worker b/c of their job is a federal crime, and that's the only reason the FBI would be involved.


But, I haven't heard anyone say anything about the body being found on nat'l forest grounds. Wouldn't that also be a reason for FBI to be involved?


If the FBI is not involved b/c of the location of the body, then I think it's unlikely it's just a typical meth or other drug killing. That would be state and local police, wouldn't it?
Click to expand...

Not necessarily. This area hosts a HIDTA which is a collaboration of state, local, and federal agencies. The FBI is often called into high profile crimes like this because their crime lab is superlative and they have access to resources that state/local cops don't have.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Not necessarily. This area hosts a HIDTA which is a collaboration of state, local, and federal agencies. The FBI is often called into high profile crimes like this because their crime lab is superlative and they have access to resources that state/local cops don't have.
Click to expand...


Yea, that could be, too. What does HIDTA stand for, btw?
 
Here's more about it, if you're interested:

Office of National Drug Control Policy -- High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas

Please note the location of the HIDTA in Appalachia in connection to the location of this crime.

I want to be clear. I am NOT saying that this is definitely a drug crime. I am saying, however, that there are a number of plausible scenarios given the location in which this crime occurred, beyond simple anti-Govt. sentiment.

It's irresponsible to jump to the conclusion that a couple of political commentators inspired this act without further evidence. And, even if it was inspired by anti-govt sentiment, a la Timothy McVeigh, you may be talking about political extremists well beyond the spectrum of mainstream commentators, like the militia groups that Tim McVeigh participated in.
 
Last edited:
:lol:

and the dust bunnies under their beds are perfectly symmetrical. and have names.
 
liblady said:
:lol:

and the dust bunnies under their beds are perfectly symmetrical. and have names.
Click to expand...

And their windows are immaculately lined with aluminum foil to keep out the government mind rays from the black helicopters.
 
Alex Libman said:
OK, I'll surround my property with hanging skeletal remains of federal agents who've treaded on me prior. :roll:
Click to expand...

Internet tough guys are hilarious.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
It smells of freedom! Granted, freedom smells horrible.
Click to expand...

Don't worry, it's not like his mom actually lets him hang dead bodies around her house.
 
Redress said:
Internet tough guys are hilarious.
Click to expand...

C'mon, I use my real name, make no effort to obfuscate my IP address, and you can even see my mailing address from
Moderator's Warning:
Link to personal information removed.
... I am many things, but I am not a coward.


Catz Part Deux said:
I bet your house smells fantastic.
Click to expand...

How much are you willing to bet? :roll:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Alex Libman said:
C'mon, I use my real name, make no effort to obfuscate my IP address, and you can even see my mailing address from
Moderator's Warning:
Link to personal information removed.
... I am many things, but I am not a coward.
Click to expand...

Ummm...no offense intended, but you are stupid to post this here.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Just to point out, I'm not saying that this was done by disaffected conservatives. I'm just saying that it is one possibility. Does anyone deny that it is one possibility?

And wow! My entire state seems to be on that drug map.
 
Alex Libman said:
C'mon, I use my real name, make no effort to obfuscate my IP address, and you can even see my mailing address from
Moderator's Warning:
Link to personal information removed.
... I am many things, but I am not a coward.
Click to expand...

Did this Alex Libman person piss you off or something?

the makeout hobo said:
Just to point out, I'm not saying that this was done by disaffected conservatives. I'm just saying that it is one possibility. Does anyone deny that it is one possibility?
Click to expand...

I still think you're grasping.

Law enforcement in the area supports the drug angle or even suicide:
State police had announced the cause of death was asphyxiation, then clarified Friday that was a preliminary determination pending a full medical examination of the body. Rudzinsky said investigators hadn't yet determined whether the death was a homicide, suicide or accidental.
Click to expand...



Although anti-government sentiment was one possibility, some in law enforcement also cited the prevalence of drug activity in the area — including meth labs and marijuana fields — although they had no reason to believe there was a link to Sparkman's death.

"Now they're taking their meth lab operations into the rural, secluded areas," Clay County Sheriff Kevin Johnson said. "We've had complaints in the area, but not that particular location."

On one day last week, law enforcement in the county rounded up 40 drug suspects, most of them traffickers, Johnson said.

Dee Davis, president of the Center for Rural Strategies in nearby Whitesburg, said the federal government has done "precious little" in Clay County other than building a federal prison in Manchester in the 1990s. But he is not aware of any deep-seated hatred of the government.


"Government is not seen as the enemy, except for people who might fear getting caught for what they're doing," he said.
Click to expand...

Just as I was grabbling the URL, the story refreshed, so these quotes didn;t appear in the new story. :doh I had to grab it from another source.

Witness: Census worker's hanging body naked, bound - Yahoo! News
 
Last edited by a moderator:
From your own article,

"
Although anti-government sentiment was one possibility, some in law enforcement also cited the prevalence of drug activity in the area — including meth labs and marijuana fields — although they had no reason to believe there was a link to Sparkman's death."
 
New details from witnesses who found the body:


(snip ... )

''The only thing he had on was a pair of socks,'' Weaver said. ''And they had duct-taped his hands, his wrists. He had duct tape over his eyes, and they gagged him with a red rag or something.''

''And they even had duct tape around his neck. And they had like his identification tag on his neck. They had it duct-taped to the side of his neck, on the right side, almost on his right shoulder.''

Two people briefed on the investigation said various details of Weaver's account matched the details of the crime scene, though both people said they were not informed who found the body. The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

Weaver said he couldn't tell if the tag was a Census Bureau ID because he didn't get close enough to read it. But both of the people briefed on the investigation confirmed Sparkman's Census ID was found taped to his head and shoulder area.

Weaver said he could see something written on Sparkman's chest but he did not go close enough to read it.

While authorities confirmed for the first time Thursday that asphyxiation was the cause of death, even the details behind that were murky. According to a Kentucky State Police statement, the body was hanging from a tree with a noose around the neck, yet it was in contact with the ground.

Weaver, who works for a family topsoil business in Fairfield, said he was in town for a family reunion and was visiting family grave sites at the cemetery when he and family members including his wife and daughter came across the body.

The scene left Weaver without a doubt how Sparkman died.

''He was murdered,'' he said. ''There's no doubt.''


more ...


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/200...s-Worker-Hanged.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
So the fact that he was a census worker definitely was part of it...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom