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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Actually they have, when one looks at things the other way. Women are allowed to go to work using the male standards and preventing that has been deemed sexist, but men are not allowed to use the female standards.




    Or a presumption that the writer of the article made an "apples to apples" comparison.

    The courts have consistently declared your argument baseless. Differing standards for grooming for men and women can be based on social or community norms. Expecting a woman to conform to standard male norms exacts a cost for the woman that the man does not pay. You don't have a legal leg to stand on here, you're just howling victim, with no legal basis.

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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No, expecting a woman to conform to FEMALE norms is sexist. Such as the 1950's female norm of not being a cop.

    Quite the contrary, holding a woman to male social norms can be held to be hostile to women in the workplace.

    And, again, contrary to what you are saying in this post, you don't have a legal argument to stand on. Women have been held in court to be legally able to be required to wear both skirts and makeup in the workplace, regardless of whether they personally wanted to or not. Safety regulations must be gender-neutral, grooming regulations can be based on community/social norms.

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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    And how are Cornrows NOT a community norm in this officer's jurisdiction ?

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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Just plain stupid I'm afraid, and probably racist if he has been singled out if his male black colleagues are allowed cornrows. The report doesn't ever say male black policemen are allowed cornrow hairstyles - just black female officers - so there is a small doubt.

    Reverse Racism or is there more to this story that hasn't been reported yet?
    According to the "source", and I have extreme skepticism of any news organization today, other black officers can keep their cornrows; if this is indeed the case, then the discipline of this officer was wrong.

    That stated, no one in the police force should be wearing piercing, cornrows, long hair, or wild exposed tattoos. The police have to be "respected" and looking like thugs just doesn't cut it.

    There's my two cents on the issue.

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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really? are you sure black male officers wear cornrows in philly?
    Usually I find that it helps to read the source story that has been posted prior to commment.

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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    And how are Cornrows NOT a community norm in this officer's jurisdiction ?
    His superior said it was not professional, according to the police spokesman.


    "The problem, police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore said, is that Strain's superior didn't feel his cornrows were "professional."

    Ordering Strain to chop them off had nothing to do with discrimination, added Vanore, who spoke with Inspector Aaron Horne about the incident.

    Horne, who oversees the Northwest Police Division, which includes the 35th District, is the supervisor who directed Strain to banish the braids.

    "The policy's the policy, it doesn't matter what race you are," Vanore said.

    Police policy requires officers to have "clean, properly trimmed and combed hair" that doesn't prevent them from wearing their uniform hat "in a military-manner," Vanore said.

    The policy prohibits "unnatural" hair colors such as blue, purple or green but doesn't ban specific styles, such as cornrows, mohawks, dreadlocks or bouffants.

    Vanore didn't see Strain's cornrows, but speculated that they may have kept his hat from fitting his head in the required military manner. He couldn't explain why black officers with cornrows weren't ordered to get haircuts - unless they're women, because the hair policy for female officers is slightly more permissive.

    Still, while the division inspector did instruct Strain to get a haircut, Vanore emphasized, the officer wasn't formally disciplined."
    Cop with cornrows pulled from street duty | Philadelphia Daily News | 09/21/2009

    They have the legal right to have separate standards for grooming for men and women. And they have the legal right to determine what is 'professional' and what is not.

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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    i read it...did you?

    'Professional' look
    Police spokesman Lt. Frank Vanore says Strain's boss told the officer to cut his hair to look more "professional."

    Vanore says officers' hats must fit "in a military manner" over their hair, and that Strain's hat did not. Strain got a haircut; he declined comment to the paper.

    Interviewed by the Daily News, Vanore said he couldn't explain why black officers with cornrows weren't ordered to get haircuts — unless they're women. The policy for female officers is slightly more permissive, he said.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Usually I find that it helps to read the source story that has been posted prior to commment.
    Perhaps you should follow your own advice ..... LMAO

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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Interestingly enough, those are banned by the same police department and had a case in 2007 about it.

    To me this cornrow thing is obviously racism. I' seeing reports where dozens of black male officers are allowed to have cornrows.

    I don't use the BS term "reverse racism", because racism doesn't have a preset direction.
    I agree with this merely because racism presumes one race is superior to another merely due to their race. This is more a lack of uniform application of the rules in favor of blacks rather than racist.

    Our society has a tendency to abuse the term "racism" too frequently.

    Main Entry: rac·ism
    Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1933
    1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

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    Re: White Philly officer told to get rid of cornrows

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Quite the contrary, holding a woman to male social norms can be held to be hostile to women in the workplace.

    And, again, contrary to what you are saying in this post, you don't have a legal argument to stand on. Women have been held in court to be legally able to be required to wear both skirts and makeup in the workplace, regardless of whether they personally wanted to or not. Safety regulations must be gender-neutral, grooming regulations can be based on community/social norms.
    Ah, so the court deems what is sexist or racist now?

    So I take it that you, jackalope, believe that having slaves was perfectly okay, moral, and not racism in any way up until such a point that it was made legal? Cause I mean, courts had no issue with it till that point, so naturally it couldn't have been racism.

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