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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Ahmadinejad does not deserve an audience. He has lost his right to be taken seriously. Not only would I applaud them walking out on his speech but I'd respect folks just not showing up to hear him in the first place. He's a joke of a leader with zero credibility. Why even bother feigning interest in what he has to say at all? Why even attempt to put on a show of legitimacy for appearances sake? Why does it even matter if he says it today, when he has said it pointedly and clearly yesterday and obviously gets off on the emotional anger it creates? Walking out on him would be cool. Not showing up or sticking around to even hear him utter one word would be even better.
    I agree with you in principle, I really do... it's just, when the world ignores crazy leaders, they tend to gain more momentum. When diplomats get angry, they do something about it. Simply not being there is bad form, in my opinion, and I'm disappointed that my own country's diplomats are not attending. So what happens then? All you are left with are the few neutral people who don't applaud or leave, and then people who support him. It just doesn't look good.

    It's not about giving him legitimacy. It's about witnessing the rise of a mad man, and we should all be aware of it, especially if it makes us angry.

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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    We never had one.. so how could we lose it? And at least we can count our votes....
    At least we have our sovereignty as a nation unless you EU drones that used to be great nations.

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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    'Taking responsibility'?
    Those responsible are dead. The generation who lived through the Holocaust and world wars are slowly dying.

    The world would not think they would 'do it'
    I personally think when the last holocaust survivor dies. Germany should draw a line under it and move on. I do not understand this 'guilt' Germany has.
    and i dont under stand ours it makes use even

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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post

    As to Petey's moronic ranting...I trust he'll forgive me for not really caring what a European has to say about anyone's moral compass.
    What ranting.... since when is stating perceptions and facts ranting... /shrug... guess it is because it is about the US and that is some how a taboo now days on these boards.

    and I trust you will forgive me if we dont care either about what the US has to say on anyone's moral compass or anything regarding morality.... which was my point.
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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What ranting.... since when is stating perceptions and facts ranting... /shrug... guess it is because it is about the US and that is some how a taboo now days on these boards.

    and I trust you will forgive me if we dont care either about what the US has to say on anyone's moral compass or anything regarding morality.... which was my point.
    I never expected you to care how idiotic your mindless ranting sounds.

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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I agree with you in principle, I really do... it's just, when the world ignores crazy leaders, they tend to gain more momentum. When diplomats get angry, they do something about it. Simply not being there is bad form, in my opinion, and I'm disappointed that my own country's diplomats are not attending. So what happens then? All you are left with are the few neutral people who don't applaud or leave, and then people who support him. It just doesn't look good.

    It's not about giving him legitimacy. It's about witnessing the rise of a mad man, and we should all be aware of it, especially if it makes us angry.
    He needs to be mocked, shunned, embarrassed, and shamed so his people are completely 100% aware that they have a joke of a man representing them on the worldwide stage. There should be no video where it appears we are respecting him, even briefly. None.

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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    We never had one.. so how could we lose it? And at least we can count our votes....
    Then you shouldn't have much problem explaining what we "should" have done here.
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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    We never had one.. so how could we lose it? And at least we can count our votes....
    Oh yeah.
    EU really is just brilliant.

    I mean the citizens reject the constitution and the bureaucrats shove it through under a different name so sure that us stupid common folk have no "real" understanding of it and how we must be wrong in rejecting it
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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    He needs to be mocked, shunned, embarrassed, and shamed so his people are completely 100% aware that they have a joke of a man representing them on the worldwide stage. There should be no video where it appears we are respecting him, even briefly. None.
    Won't ever happen. If it did, the "story" would be about the mocking, and the ugly things he says will get lost.
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    Re: Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

    I kinda think this whole holocaust denial thing is overblown. Does it really matter if some people deny it? It was a horrible event, it has tons of documentation, we know it happened. Those who deny it are idiots, and well there is no law against that (or rather, should not be a law against that. Some countries want thought control and will make denying the holocaust illegal).

    As for walking out on him, I understand the Germans are sensitive about the issue; but it's time to get over it. The UN, despite my negative attitudes about it, is supposed to foster diplomacy so that we don't have to go to war so often (opps). Walking out, especially in mass, may have the opposite effect. It sucks, but so does theocracy and the lesson of Iran should be don't have crazy religious jerks in charge.
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