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    Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    Russia general says missile plan not shelved | International | Reuters

    ZURICH (Reuters) - Russia's top general said on Monday that plans to deploy missiles in an enclave next to Poland had not been shelved, despite a decision by the United States to rethink plans for missile defense in Europe.
    Now, there's some Russian split-personality going on here:

    But a former Russian diplomatic negotiator indicated he thought the deployments in Kaliningrad region, bordering Poland, unlikely to go ahead. Alternative U.S. proposals for sea-based defenses appeared less likely to raise Kremlin objections.
    Which is consistent with:

    The Kremlin always said Russia would only deploy the missiles as a counter-measure if Washington went ahead with its missile shield. Moscow said the shield threatened its national security and would upset the strategic balance in Europe.
    But then there's this:

    When asked about the matter on Monday, the chief of Russia's general staff, Nikolai Makarov, said: "There has been no such decision. It should be a political decision. It should be made by the president."

    "They (the Americans) have not given up the anti-missile shield; they have replaced it with a sea-based component," Makarov told reporters on a plane from Moscow to Zurich.

    The general was accompanying President Dmitry Medvedev on a trip to Switzerland.
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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    Of course the complaints of a shield was little more than a smoke screen. Russia just wants to show its muscle and keep Eastern europe in line. With the expansion of probable NATO, and the EU, and Russia coming off worse than most developed countries in the current recession, I don't know how they can do this without very skillful/dangerous manuevering

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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    Now that they know our president's a pushover, they will take advantage of the situation, of course. Just like everybody else will. Sad

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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    Just points out that Russia/Russians cannot be trusted and that they are what they always have been a gang of barbarians with the moral standards of baboons.
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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    Which is one of the better reasons not to put a gladhanding noob in the big chair.

    More to the topic, if someone tells me theirsecurity is based on ME not having a SHIELD, I tell that obvious potential aggressor OFF and build a bigger shield.

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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    I'm still trying to undertsand how Mr. Obama can break a treaty that Mr. Bush signed with the Polish Govn. on this subject. Hmm guess that if your in control of Congress you can do anything like violated terms of Treatys that Congress signs off and only Congress can over-ride.

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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    I don't think the Senate approved it, or even voted on it.

    It does, though, make our word to our allies worth less, if not worthless.
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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    The whole argument over this shield is amusing. Iran is far from having a delivery system, the cost of such a shield is huge, and the fact of the matter is that no one even knows how effective the shield would be. From the beginning it was nothing more than a stab at Russia and Obama's goal is to improve relations with Russia in hopes they and China will be more active in reigning in Iran. If such a case were to unfold, then the U.S. saves lots of money in building the systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, maintaining bases in both countries, and keeping troops there to staff them as well, and Iran is still controlled. What's the problem here?

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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The whole argument over this shield is amusing. Iran is far from having a delivery system, the cost of such a shield is huge, and the fact of the matter is that no one even knows how effective the shield would be. From the beginning it was nothing more than a stab at Russia and Obama's goal is to improve relations with Russia in hopes they and China will be more active in reigning in Iran. If such a case were to unfold, then the U.S. saves lots of money in building the systems in Poland and the Czech Republic, maintaining bases in both countries, and keeping troops there to staff them as well, and Iran is still controlled. What's the problem here?
    the naivete of the idea that improving relations with russia will somehow improve relations with china...and that china will ever have the will or the inclination to effectively reign in iran...the naivete of the idea that caving so easily to foreign interests--at the expense of our own allies and existing treaties--makes russia more amiable toward us. In reality they are already pushing for more concessions and our credibility is degraded.

    and if the missile shield's effectiveness was so uncertain, why did russia raise such a big stink about it? If it was such a waste of our time and money, then russia would have promoted the idea.

    I remember not long ago we were able to effectively take down a satellite that broke atmo with a missile. Both the sattelite and the technology used to destroy it were relatively analogous to the missile shield technology--and we scrapped the satellite with a single shot..

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    Re: Russia general says missile plan not shelved

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The whole argument over this shield is amusing. Iran is far from having a delivery system, the cost of such a shield is huge, and the fact of the matter is that no one even knows how effective the shield would be.
    1: The point is that you deploy the defense -before- they have the capability
    2: The cost of a nuke going off over Paris is far less
    3: Same can be said for every other weapons system ever deoplyed.

    From the beginning it was nothing more than a stab at Russia...
    Given the ABM system would have no effect on Russian deterrence -- how can this be?

    and Obama's goal is to improve relations with Russia in hopes they and China will be more active in reigning in Iran.
    So, he sold out our European allies to gain some degree of favor with the Russians.
    This sounds familiar.
    Maybe we should start referring to The Obama as The Neville.

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