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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm sorry -- I asked YOU:
    You do agree that no organization the size of FEMA faced with a disaster the size of Katrina could possibly to EVERYTHING right -- right?
    I do admit that it's likely that FEMA would make at least a few mistakes, but I consider the scope and number of their mistakes to be unacceptable.

    Now your turn to answer: what would you have seen as an unacceptable failure on FEMA's side?
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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I do admit that it's likely that FEMA would make at least a few mistakes, but I consider the scope and number of their mistakes to be unacceptable.
    And I do not.
    So...?

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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And I do not.
    So...?
    What would you consider unacceptable?
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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What would you consider unacceptable?
    Them not doing the best they could, given the circumstances.

    The problem here is that people have unrealistic expectations of what government agencies 'should' be able to do.

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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Them not doing the best they could, given the circumstances.

    The problem here is that people have unrealistic expectations of what government agencies 'should' be able to do.
    I'm asking for something concrete. Because I personally don't consider only sending in some of your SAR teams, or not asking for every single thing you can from the military doing your best.
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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I'm asking for something concrete. Because I personally don't consider only sending in some of your SAR teams, or not asking for every single thing you can from the military doing your best.
    And thus, my previous statement:
    The problem here is that people have unrealistic expectations of what government agencies 'should' be able to do.

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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And thus, my previous statement:
    The problem here is that people have unrealistic expectations of what government agencies 'should' be able to do.
    I think you're just trying to write off completely over-the-top and unacceptable failures. They should have been prepared for something like this, but they weren't. I mean, how do you not have all of your SAR teams ready?
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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I think you're just trying to write off completely over-the-top and unacceptable failures.
    I think you call them "completely over-the-top and unacceptable failures" because you have an unrealistic expectation of what government agencies 'should' be able to do.

    For instance:
    "The agency dispatched only 7 of its 28 urban search and rescue teams to the area before the storm hit and sent no workers at all into New Orleans until after the hurricane passed on Monday, Aug. 29."
    Allocating 25% of total, nation-wide capacity to a single event seems perfectly rerasonable ot me. So does waiting to send them in until the event happens, lest the SAR teams need a SAR tem to rescue them.

    "Rather than initiate relief efforts — buses, food, troops, diesel fuel, rescue boats — the agency waited for specific requests from state and local officials."
    Thats because that's what FEMA does -- backs up and assist state and local agnecies, as these agencies are more knowledgeable of that they need and where. If there was a delay in asking for resources, it isnt FEMAs fault; if FEMA moves before resources are asked for, they do so with little idea of what is needed where.

    "Hundreds of firefighters, who responded to a nationwide call for help in the disaster, were held by the federal agency in Atlanta for days of training on community relations and sexual harassment before being sent on to the devastated area."
    Thank you, political correctness.
    Everyone would be happy if they had not been delayed by this training, right up until the point someone cried 'improprer behavior" -- and then the question would be 'why were these people set losse w/o the proper trainng'.

    "FEMA would not let the trucks unload," Mr. Vines said in an interview. "The drivers were stuck for several days on the side of the road about 10 miles from Camp Beauregard. FEMA said we had to have a 'tasker number.' What in the world is a tasker number? I have no idea. It's just paperwork, and it's ridiculous."
    So... what were the rtucks hauling, and where should it go?
    W/o the proper paperwork, how do yo umake that determination?
    W/o that determination, ddo you just dump the material and send the truck elsewhere?
    This is an example of necessary logistical organization not failure.

    et cetera...

    So all of these so-called failures are failures only for those with the beforementioned unrealistic expectation of what government agencies 'should' be able to do.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 10-01-09 at 03:17 PM.

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    Re: Death toll rises to 8 in Southeast floods

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I think you call them "completely over-the-top and unacceptable failures" because you have an unrealistic expectation of what government agencies 'should' be able to do.
    You mean, like their job? Why shouldn't I expect them to have all of their SAR teams at the gulf?
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