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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So you are trying to tell me people in the highest tax bracket would not be willing to pay 1.5% more in taxes if their income went up by 3%? Plese note they are 1.5% ahead and maybe some pot holes on the roads can get fixed as well.
    I'm sorry, but Obama is campaigning again on the fact that noone's taxes will go up.. at least that's what this article looked like.


    A raise of 1.5% in anyone's taxes is a raise in taxes...

    It doesn't matter how you try and spin it.
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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I'm sorry, but Obama is campaigning again on the fact that noone's taxes will go up.. at least that's what this article looked like.


    A raise of 1.5% in anyone's taxes is a raise in taxes...

    It doesn't matter how you try and spin it.
    Ill still take my 1.5% and pot holes fixed so my rolls royce doesn't get a flat

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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I'm sorry, but Obama is campaigning again on the fact that noone's taxes will go up.. at least that's what this article looked like.


    A raise of 1.5% in anyone's taxes is a raise in taxes...

    It doesn't matter how you try and spin it.
    Yep, remember what happened to the last president that promised no new taxes.

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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yep, remember what happened to the last president that promised no new taxes.
    Are you talking about the "read my lips" guy?

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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So you are trying to tell me people in the highest tax bracket would not be willing to pay 1.5% more in taxes if their income went up by 3%? Plese note they are 1.5% ahead and maybe some pot holes on the roads can get fixed as well.
    Your math is a little fuzzy here. Lets assume that, as you say, its ok to follow a raise in income with a raise in taxes. Lets say that income goes up 3, so 1.5 in tax is acceptable.

    Well, now lets say that income, over a few years, has gone up 50 percent. So by your logic, a raise in tax of 30 percent would be ok...right? Well, if a person was already had about 40, they are now at 70... and, by your math, in a few more years, they'll be at a 100 percent.

    Raising taxes along with inflationairy raises in income (which is all the increases really are) is just not possible.
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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Are you talking about the "read my lips" guy?
    Absolutely. Let's hope this one only gets one term too.

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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by KillerAngel View Post
    Very good analysis. It truly is inevitable, after all. Combine a political novice like Obama, wildly inept and unpopular congressional leaders like Ried and Polosi, and an agenda (most of it, such as gitmo, healthcare, prosecute the CIA, immigration amnesty, etc) that was NEVER supported by a majority of voters...and the result was never in doubt. Failure.
    How were those policies, which he ran on, not supported by a majority if he won?

    So they'll put the blame where it does the least harm to their cause - on the President, because he's replaceable. Let the GOP have their time from '12 to '16, then try it again.
    I wouldn't count him out yet. We still have 3 years to see how things go.
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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Absolutely. Let's hope this one only gets one term too.
    What ? You want a Clinton back in the white house now LOL

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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Absolutely. Let's hope this one only gets one term too.
    With trillions in national debt, we will have to raise taxes at some point unless we cut military defense budget and get out of Iraq and Afrgan that conservatives were so eager to get into. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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    Re: Stephanopoulos points out Merriam-Webster definition of taxes to president

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    How were those policies, which he ran on, not supported by a majority if he won?
    ... Is that a serious question, or are you playing devils advocate?

    The question, and it's answer, was a MAJOR source of discussion both during and after the campaign. Conservative commentators picked up on it early, and kept hitting on it over and over. Polling data on all the major positions traditionally held by liberals (outlined in my last post), and by Obama himself, indicated that the general public was not in support of them. So why was he elected anyway?

    I'll assume your question is not rhetorical. There are several explanations for this: 1) the beneficiary of extreme backlash against the Bush years, 2) He promised broad and sweeping "change," which appealed to many disillusioned voters, without getting in specifics to avoid drawing scrutiny to his policies. 3) He was personally likeable, charismatic and widely popular

    The combination of these factors led to the election of a man based on everything EXCEPT popular support for his policies.

    But invariably, these tranistory issues would fade with time, to be replaced by the policies themselves. A majority dont want a public-option or single payer system. A majority dont want amnestry for illegals. A majority dont want trillion-dollar spending bills dressed up as stimulus with no stimulative effect. Most dont want card check, and prosecution of the CIA, and the closing of prisons abroad that would put terror suspects in US prisons, and general tax increases across the board for all segments of society (health insurance taxes, cap and trade, sin and junk food taxes, etc).

    So once Obama got into pushing his policies, and the fervor of the campaign passed, it was inevitable that his numbers would drop like a stone.



    I wouldn't count him out yet. We still have 3 years to see how things go.
    His numbers are diving just because of ONE of his unpopular stances, health care..imagine what will happen when he tries to push the rest of the ones I have mentioned? None of which enjoy majority support?
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