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    US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    WASHINGTON The top military commander in Afghanistan warns in a classified document that more US forces are needed within the next year or the mission "will likely result in failure," the Washington Post said Monday.
    AFP: US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    The general's report carries a direct call for extra troops

    The US mission in Afghanistan will "likely result in failure" unless troops are increased within a year, the top general there has said in a report.

    Gen Stanley McChrystal made his assessment in a copy of a confidential report obtained by the Washington Post.

    He recently called for a revised military strategy in Afghanistan, suggesting the current one is failing.

    More than 30,000 extra US troops have been sent to Afghanistan since May - almost doubling the US contingent.

    The number of US troops in Afghanistan is already set to rise to 68,000 by the end of the year.

    But in his latest assessment, Gen McChrystal is quoted by the Washington Post newspaper as saying: "Failure to gain the initiative and reverse insurgent momentum in the near-term [next 12 months] - while Afghan security capacity matures - risks an outcome where defeating the insurgency is no longer possible."

    He warned that "inadequate resources will likely result in failure".

    Gen McChrystal said that failure to provide adequate resources "also risks a longer conflict, greater casualties, higher overall costs, and ultimately, a critical loss of political support".

    "Any of these risks, in turn, are likely to result in mission failure."
    BBC NEWS | South Asia | US in Afghanistan failure warning

    We have vital interests in that region which risk being lost should we lose or pull out of Afghanistan.

    America has vital national security interests in Afghanistan that make fighting there necessary.

    The key objectives of the campaign are preventing Afghanistan from again serving as a sanctuary for terrorists with global reach and ensuring that it does not become the catalyst for a broader regional security meltdown.

    Afghanistan also serves as a base from which the United States attacks al-Qaeda forces inside Pakistan and thus assists in the broader campaign against that terrorist organization -- one that we clearly must win.

    JOHN NAGL

    President of the Center for a New American Security
    Topic A: Is the War in Afghanistan Worth Fighting? - washingtonpost.com

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    Re: US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    Bush was called an idiot for the longest time because he didn't send enough troops, now we have a delay by a Democrat President. Where are the cat calls now?
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    Bush was called an idiot for the longest time because he didn't send enough troops, now we have a delay by a Democrat President. Where are the cat calls now?
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    Re: US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    Anyone remember when Obama and Clinton demanded the troops be pulled out ASAP, and said if elected they'd start major withdrawals within a couple months? Ha!

    Obama will neither increase troop strength to necessary levels nor pull them out.. both wars will keep lanquishing. Hope and change, indeed.
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    Re: US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    The template is being set up as we debate this issue; this new template will take the presumption that Bush messed things up so badly and we waited too long to fix this issue because we took our eyes off Afghanistan to fight an illegal war in Iraq.

    With that, Pelosi and the rabid Liberal kooks who infest the congress and are in power will not approve more troops or more money with the eventual decision that the war is no longer worth fighting and cannot be won (typical Liberal view on any war).

    What we are seeing now from the Libruls is that what once was the RIGHT war to fight is no longer worth the cost. They need the money to pass healthcare.


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    Re: US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    Russia had half a million troops in Afghanistan and still lost that war. The terrain there is perfect for asymmetrical warfare, and no great power has ever been able to defeat Afghans because of it. Still, we need to keep pounding them because it was FROM THERE that 911 was launched. We should send more troops there, even if we do eventually leave with mission unaccomplished. If nothing else, they will get the message that, if they mess with the United States, they can expect lots of death in return. That will at least make them think twice before supporting a terrorist organization that wants to hit America. If there is a penalty for doing something, and if that penalty is harsh enough, they will look elsewhere to do it.
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    Re: US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Russia had half a million troops in Afghanistan and still lost that war. The terrain there is perfect for asymmetrical warfare, and no great power has ever been able to defeat Afghans because of it.
    Russia lost that war because they attempted to prop up an unjust and despotic pro-Communist regime using brute force. It is a vast difference from the JUST reasons we are there.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Still, we need to keep pounding them because it was FROM THERE that 911 was launched. We should send more troops there, even if we do eventually leave with mission unaccomplished. If nothing else, they will get the message that, if they mess with the United States, they can expect lots of death in return. That will at least make them think twice before supporting a terrorist organization that wants to hit America. If there is a penalty for doing something, and if that penalty is harsh enough, they will look elsewhere to do it.
    On this point we are 100% in agreement but my argument would also include to support and defend a fledgling representative Government we helped to establish as part of our mission in a country where the people have never know free associations and representative Government until it can stand on its own.

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    Re: US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What we are seeing now from the Libruls is that what once was the RIGHT war to fight is no longer worth the cost. They need the money to pass healthcare.
    Seems to me that this was very much the argument from the left during and since the election -- that Iraq needed to be de-escalated and that our commitment to Afghanistan -- a 'just' war -- needed to be increased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Seems to me that this was very much the argument from the left during and since the election -- that Iraq needed to be de-escalated and that our commitment to Afghanistan -- a 'just' war -- needed to be increased.
    Yes, but what we are now hearing from the Democrats with Nancy Pelosi in the lead is that they are not supportive of sending any more money or troops to Afghanistan. The talking point memo will be that Bush failed so miserably that even the efforts of the smartest politicians on the face of the earth, being them of course, cannot mend the mess and therefore, after another year or two we will pull out and once more abandon an ally we created in the interest of doing the right thing; spend gobs of money on social welfare programs and lie about the costs.

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    Re: US general warns more troops or Afghan 'failure'

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    Russia lost that war because they attempted to prop up an unjust and despotic pro-Communist regime using brute force. It is a vast difference from the JUST reasons we are there.
    You're not being serious, are you?
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