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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Well, before you go that far you have to consider something. What causes firms to demand foreign, more specifically illegal foreign labor?
    They are breaking the law, if those people were citizens they couldn't pay them so low. Pretty simple.
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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Interesting! So it is not really the presence of illegal aliens, but is instead the existence of policies that shift specific aspects of demand for labor.
    It's illegal to hire illegal aliens. The law, on both ends of the issue, should be enforced.
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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    There are no policies. It is illegal to hire illegal immigrants, period.
    No doubt about it. Regardless, the practice does exist, and for a reason no less. Therefore, it might serve us better to look at the cause, instead of the symptom.

    Low skilled labor faces competition not only from the illegal alien, but from the exuberant welfare benefits that result in higher taxes.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    No doubt about it. Regardless, the practice does exist, and for a reason no less. Therefore, it might serve us better to look at the cause, instead of the symptom.
    We should be doing something about both problems.
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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    I saw a follow-up report about the firms where the government did the raids to find and deport illegal alien employees.

    They found that all those jobs had been replaced by legal citizens and their was wage increases (8% if I recall correctly).

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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I saw a follow-up report about the firms where the government did the raids to find and deport illegal alien employees.

    They found that all those jobs had been replaced by legal citizens and their was wage increases (8% if I recall correctly).
    Do you care to provide a link so that we can further analyze, based on the specific industry, number of workers found to be illegal, and the wage paid to both the illegal workers and the new legal workers (of which would need to be 8% more)?

    Or at the very least, give a name to this source.
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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Do you care to provide a link so that we can further analyze, based on the specific industry, number of workers found to be illegal, and the wage paid to both the illegal workers and the new legal workers (of which would need to be 8% more)?

    Or at the very least, give a name to this source.
    I saw it on Foxnews about a week ago. So, I can't really give any more details, but by doing a fast search on yahoo:

    Immigration raids yield jobs for legal workers - USATODAY.com

    She said wages did not plummet in recent decades because of immigrants undercutting Americans, but because employers took advantage of the immigrant population fearful of seeking help from authorities.

    "If you've got a segment of the workforce that's afraid to speak out against violations of their labor rights, then that drags down wages and working conditions for all workers," Singley said.

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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Well, the Stimulus package sure helped there!
    That comment shows a pretty limited understanding of the stimulus package, unemployment causes and effects, the California economy, economics...

    Basically all the important information in the article, you don't comprehend.

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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Fewer people to compete with for the existing jobs. It's ain't rocket science.
    Can you show that illegals compete with Americans for jobs that Americans are trying to get and in industries that serve as engines of growth?

    Last I checked, there aren't illegals taking programming jobs away from Americans, but I could be wrong. Does Google hire lots of illegals?
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    Re: California's unemployment rate hits 12.2% in August

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Can you show that illegals compete with Americans for jobs that Americans are trying to get and in industries that serve as engines of growth?

    Last I checked, there aren't illegals taking programming jobs away from Americans, but I could be wrong. Does Google hire lots of illegals?
    Feds: Immigration raids stimulate job growth -- DailyFinance

    ommonly accepted wisdom states that, as things currently stand, immigrants fill jobs that most native-born American workers don't want. However, a report by the Center for Immigration Studies recently found that, when the feds come banging on the door of a factory, net new jobs are created. According to the study, immigration raids neither cripple a factory nor result in the return of illegal labor. In fact, the center says that the raided plants were up and running again -- with full staffs -- within months, and most of the positions occupied by illegal immigrants were staffed with legal employees.

    The exact composition of the post-raid workforce varies by region. In the western portion of the country, a raid on a plant that had a workforce comprised mostly of Hispanic employees (90 percent), the undocumented employees were replaced mostly by U.S.-born Hispanics and white employees. In North Carolina, however, a facility whose workforce was 80 percent Hispanic before an investigation saw illegal employees replaced mostly by African-American employees, who now comprise 70 percent of the company's employee base. In the Great Plains states, a growing number of Sudanese, Somalis and Southeast Asian immigrants are finding positions at food-processing plants.
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