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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How about this, you can raise as much as you want from whoever....just every single dollar has to be posted on a public website detailing when it was donated and by whom. If there's one thing partisan hacks are good for, it's using their time to find any piece of dirt on candidates they don't like. Who better to scrutinize such lists? And these lists should get audited. Any discrepancies and you start getting fined the differences.
    IMO, this is by far the best approach.
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    IMO, this is by far the best approach.
    What would be even better addition would be scan each donation form (or post digitized transaction logs) that link to each donation. Because I know for a fact that certain groups are going to try to essentially launder money through more legitimate sources.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ya but at the federal level there really aren't that many elected jobs to hop between. Once you've been a representative and a senator, there isn't much else (unless one has presidential aspirations).
    Granted, I was talking more about the state level, but the problem is that no matter what term, he has to raise so much money that he's no longer a completely free agent.

    Nothing, except he's only doing it once instead of four times.
    If he has to sell his soul to get elected once or four times, whats the difference?
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I'm not talking about ACORN, I'm talking about organizers that worked directly for Obama.
    Sorry I don't see the distinction. Obama trained ACORN, at least I've hear it said dozens of times. He is a community organizer isn't he? This ACORN stuff is going to flow uphill right into the oval office. Can you bring a RICO complaint against a sitting President?
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    Sorry I don't see the distinction. Obama trained ACORN, at least I've hear it said dozens of times. He is a community organizer isn't he? This ACORN stuff is going to flow uphill right into the oval office. Can you bring a RICO complaint against a sitting President?
    You have no idea what I'm even referring to, do you? I'm not even talking about ACORN whatsoever. There's dozens of threads about that if you want to troll those. I'm talking about people trained by the Obama campaign to manage field offices in major cities. I personally worked a fair bit in the Sacramento one, and we had nothing to do with ACORN. To train those people and to run those field offices took money, is my point.
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    Sorry I don't see the distinction. Obama trained ACORN, at least I've hear it said dozens of times. He is a community organizer isn't he? This ACORN stuff is going to flow uphill right into the oval office. Can you bring a RICO complaint against a sitting President?
    Interesting factiod....

    By JOHN FUND
    Only one of the five television networks that interviewed President Obama for their Sunday shows bothered to ask him about Acorn, the left-wing community organizing group whose federal funding was cut off last week by an overwhelming vote in Congress.

    "Frankly, it's not something I've followed closely," Mr. Obama claimed, adding he wasn't even aware the group had been the recipient of significant federal funding. "This is not the biggest issue facing the country. It's not something I'm paying a lot of attention to," he said.

    Mr. Obama added that an investigation of Acorn was appropriate after an amateur hidden-camera investigation had found Acorn offices willing to abet prostitution, but he carefully declined to say whether he would approve a federal cutoff of funds to the group.

    Mr. Obama took great pains to act as if he barely knew about Acorn. In fact, his association goes back almost 20 years. In 1991, he took time off from his law firm to run a voter-registration drive for Project Vote, an Acorn partner that was soon fully absorbed under the Acorn umbrella. The drive registered 135,000 voters and was considered a major factor in the upset victory of Democrat Carol Moseley Braun over incumbent Democratic Senator Alan Dixon in the 1992 Democratic Senate primary.

    Mr. Obama's success made him a hot commodity on the community organizing circuit. He became a top trainer at Acorn's Chicago conferences. In 1995, he became Acorn's attorney, participating in a landmark case to force the state of Illinois to implement the federal Motor Voter Law. That law's loose voter registration requirements would later be exploited by Acorn employees in an effort to flood voter rolls with fake names.
    Acorn Who? - WSJ.com

    This doesn't surprise me one bit... if this guys lips are moving you can bet he's lying.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Reality: There's absolutely no evidence to support the claim that this would benefit Republicans more than Democrats. The suit itself was brought by Emily's List, a liberal non-profit group.
    Bravo; I am constantly amused with the argument that Republicans must benefit from lobbying more than/or receive more money than Democrats.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    What needs to happen is the only contributions made to any candidate must come from individual donations only. No corporate donations whatsoever. Those power pools of money should never be allowed to influence our senators and representatives. Even if you don't believe that it affects campaign outcomes, it sure does affect later legislative decisions. Only individual citizens should be able to donate money to campaigns and nothing else. I say "nothing" because corporations should not be seen or understood to be people. And, yes, I would say the same of any large group like unions, sports teams, you name it.
    I believe that current laws do not permit corporations to donate ANY money for elections.

    I think that a proper application of this law should include Unions. It seems odd to me that companies cannot contribute, but that Unions, which are essentially corporate entities, can.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I believe that current laws do not permit corporations to donate ANY money for elections.

    I think that a proper application of this law should include Unions. It seems odd to me that companies cannot contribute, but that Unions, which are essentially corporate entities, can.
    I agree. Unions do not need to be funding politics.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I believe that current laws do not permit corporations to donate ANY money for elections.

    I think that a proper application of this law should include Unions. It seems odd to me that companies cannot contribute, but that Unions, which are essentially corporate entities, can.
    It's my understanding that they're both bound by the same laws regarding campaign finance. Neither can directly contribute money (I think), but unions are more adept than corporations at helping candidates through other measures such as fundraising and direct advertising.
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