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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    In the days before the maturation of the World Wide Web, I might have agreed.

    But we are fortunate enough to live in an era when getting one's message out is simplicity itself.

    In other words, barring outright bribery of the voters, which is already a crime, money only has so much use in political advertising before diminishing returns are encountered.

    In the other hands, by Spenglerian fortunes on messages which are rejected by the voters, a defacto financial penalty is created for those messages. Let them waste their money until they get smarter.
    I disagree. I think we can agree that Obama is probably the best campaigner in our modern system. How did he win? Firstly he trained an entire army of political organizers. Secondly he set up campaign offices in almost every decently sized city in America. Thirdly he blanketed the airwaves in campaign ads. Fourthly he personally visited every close states dozens and dozens of times. If it wasn't for all of these things, every one of them costing a small fortune, he would have had a lot harder time winning. You can't get the same exposure just by being online.
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Do you two think there should be any restrictions on money spent in politics?
    I do... 1 million dollars per candidate.... period... no exceptions... no wiggle room... no more buying elections.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I disagree. I think we can agree that Obama is probably the best campaigner in our modern system. How did he win? Firstly he trained an entire army of political organizers. Secondly he set up campaign offices in almost every decently sized city in America. Thirdly he blanketed the airwaves in campaign ads. Fourthly he personally visited every close states dozens and dozens of times. If it wasn't for all of these things, every one of them costing a small fortune, he would have had a lot harder time winning. You can't get the same exposure just by being online.
    You don't really want to talk about the criminal organization ACORN which Obama paid $800K or so do you? Of course McCain/Feingold didn't stop this fraud paid for by all those untraceable donations.
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    This is a victory for the First Amendment.
    No it's not because now only the Rich will have voice, something that are Foundiong father were against also it will even make it harder for We The People to break this Monopoly of a Political System called the Two Party System which the United States Supreme Court should rule as a Monopoly like they have in the past on Ma Bell,US Steel,United Aircraft ect. ect.

    All this does now stimple We the People from having a 1st Adm Right in Elections.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    How is regulating money spent in politics infringing freedom of speech? Money is not speech.
    Yes it is.

    Buckley v. Valeo

    Quote Originally Posted by dragondad View Post
    Are you kidding me?

    Do you not know that the GOP derives a much larger proportion of their funding from wealthy donors?

    I know this does not jive with the right wing storyline that the GOP is for the "common man"....lol.

    This may come as a shock to all the right wingers on limited incomes who post here but I would think you are informed enough to know this?

    Donor demographics for the last Presidential race...Donor Demographics: Contribution Size | OpenSecrets
    I know I'm wasting my time, but think about a reason why statistics about donations under the current law (which drastically restrict how and how much people can donate) might not be the best evidence to support a claim about what would happen in a scenario where people were free to give as much as they like.
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Do you two think there should be any restrictions on money spent in politics?
    I think that we need laws that keep political figures and big business executives away from each other.

    I think any donation of funds to a politician from a big business should be punishable by 10 years in prison FOR BOTH PARTIES.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Yes it is.

    Buckley v. Valeo



    I know I'm wasting my time, but think about a reason why statistics about donations under the current law (which drastically restrict how and how much people can donate) might not be the best evidence to support a claim about what would happen in a scenario where people were free to give as much as they like.
    I think businesses should be banned from giving money to politicians. It breeds corruption and injustice.

    Corporate rule needs to be punished severely. Both the giver of the bribe (or donation... as republicans like to call it) and the receiver need to be doing hard time in Florence, Colorado.

    Business and politics DO NOT MIX.

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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    How is regulating money spent in politics infringing freedom of speech? Money is not speech.
    Well, I've always thought about it this way:

    If I want to buy a bullhorn and stand on the street corner advocating for an issue, surely that would be freedom of speech. No one would say that my investment in the $10 bullhorn violated campaign finance laws, right?

    Now...what if instead of doing that, I paid someone else to stand on the street corner with the bullhorn and advocate my message? Would that be a violation of campaign finance laws? I think most people would say that that still falls under freedom of speech.

    Now...what if instead of doing that, I paid someone else to stand in front of a TV camera with a microphone and advocate my message to 100,000 people? Is there really any difference between that and the bullhorn example, other than the scale?
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I do... 1 million dollars per candidate.... period... no exceptions... no wiggle room...
    A good deal of campaign financing comes from 527 groups that aren't affiliated with the candidates at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch
    no more buying elections.
    I don't think there's much evidence that money influences the election results at all, as long as you have enough of it where the voters know your name. Sure, the guy with the most money typically wins, but this is a chicken-or-egg question. Did the money buy the votes...or did the candidate's inherent popularity cause more people to give him more money?
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    Re: Federal Appeals Court Voids Campaign Finance Reform Rules

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    You don't really want to talk about the criminal organization ACORN which Obama paid $800K or so do you? Of course McCain/Feingold didn't stop this fraud paid for by all those untraceable donations.
    I'm not talking about ACORN, I'm talking about organizers that worked directly for Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I do... 1 million dollars per candidate.... period... no exceptions... no wiggle room... no more buying elections.
    That is nothing for a national campaign.
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