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    7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

    7 ex-CIA chiefs ask Obama to stop attorney general's probe of Bush-era harsh interrogations | StarTribune.com

    Seven former CIA directors asked President Barack Obama on Friday to quash a criminal probe of harsh interrogations of terror suspects during the Bush administration.

    The CIA directors, who served both Democratic and Republican presidents and include three who worked under President George W. Bush, made their request in a letter Friday to the White House.

    The incidents were referred by the CIA inspector general to the Justice Department during the Bush administration, but Justice officials at the time prosecuted only one case.

    "If criminal investigations closed by career prosecutors during one administration can so easily be reopened at the direction of political appointees in the next, declinations of prosecution will be rendered meaningless," wrote the former directors.

    The seven former CIA directors included Michael Hayden, Porter Goss and George Tenet, who served under Bush; John Deutch and James Woolsey, who worked for President Bill Clinton; William Webster, who served under President George H.W. Bush; and James Schlesinger, who ran the agency under President Richard Nixon. Tenet also served under Clinton.

    They urged Obama to reverse Holder's Aug. 24 decision to reopen the investigation of interrogations following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
    1. What living ex-CIA boss did NOT sign on?

    2. The opinion expressed by Hayden, Goss, Tenet, Deutch, Woolsey, Webster and Schlesinger (who served both Bushes, Clinton and Nixon) appears to be consensus.

    3. Obama's siccing of Holder on the CIA is seen as the crassest of low-class politics.

    4. And, as such, it's a (political) loser---when's the last time you heard the president or any of his people mention the prosecution?

    5. Why does no one even know the prosecutor's name?

    6. Since these interrogations have already been looked into in tedious detail, doing it all in redux is a demonstration of double jeopardy.

    7. And don't forget---this harsher treatment of hairy backed Khalid Sheikh Mohammad flipped the 9-11 mastermind from guru of gore into apt teacher of terrorist tutorials.

    8. The 7 ex spymasters are 100% correct---agents cannot function ably in their duties in the present when they worry that the rules under which they operate can be re-written in retrospect and recriminated tomorrow by some future administration for political purposes.

    9. They also worry that foreign governments will be reluctant to cooperate with US intelligence ongoing if the probe continues.

    10. "As a result of the zeal on the part of some to uncover every action taken in the post-9/11 period, many countries may decide that they can no longer safely share intelligence or cooperate with us on future counter-terrorist operations. They simply cannot rely on our promises of secrecy," the letter says.

    11. Investigators into these incidents in the past have passed on prosecuting because the chances of winning a conviction are non existent.

    12. Occurrences in question happened so long ago and half a planet away, memories are sure to be "uncooperative."

    13. The acts being looked to, fundamentally, are absurd---threats never carried thru, power drills never plugged in, second hand cigarette smoke fumed into murderers' mugs...

    14. But mostly---to get a guilty verdict, the anonymous prosecutor must prove INTENT.

    15. The EIT's, in addition, were specifically ok'd by Langley's leaders, whom Ms Pelosi preposterously reproached as prevaricators.

    16. Current director Panetta did not personally rubber stamp the correspondence, but his profanity-packed proclivities are public knowledge, presently.

    17. Obama's impetus for reversing himself and going back on his pledge NOT to politicize the valiant efforts of our successful CIA was his attempt to placate the progressives in his party, discomposed as they were by his dumping of their precious public option.

    18. And yet, even at that, the chief exec acted characteristically cowardly and compromising, looking only to the lowest levels of Langley to lash out at while letting the leaders waltz.

    19. Why aren't the White House and its diminshing base making hay of this issue, and why, on the other hand, ARE his critics?

    20. Quick, without googling, NAME the prosecutor.


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    Re: 7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

    It's time for common sense to override politics.
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    Re: 7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

    Obama needs to back the **** of, and let the fine brave honorable patriotic Americans do their jobs and protect us.


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    Re: 7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

    If no U.S. laws were broken or treaties violated the probe will exonerate them. If not, they broke the law & should be penalized.
    I'm as patriotic as the next guy but don't buy into "My Country Right Or Wrong."
    We are Americans .....& that should stand for something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If no U.S. laws were broken or treaties violated the probe will exonerate them. If not, they broke the law & should be penalized.
    I'm as patriotic as the next guy but don't buy into "My Country Right Or Wrong."
    They broke the law? They were ordered by the Freaking President commander and chief to do what they did, and while Dick and George play golf, these heros are going to be put on show trails **** that ****. If Obama has balls let him go after the people who ordered the actions. I mean its nice to hang some scape goats out to dry, but it certainly isnt justice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    They broke the law? They were ordered by the Freaking President commander and chief to do what they did, and while Dick and George play golf, these heros are going to be put on show trails **** that ****. If Obama has balls let him go after the people who ordered the actions. I mean its nice to hang some scape goats out to dry, but it certainly isnt justice.
    I started that post with a big "IF" & if they were ordered to the order givers will be punished too. No more blaming everything on Lindie English anymore.
    If crimes were committed, let AG Holder follow them.......wherever they lead.
    Obama just has to step out of the way.



    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    If Obama has balls let him go after the people who ordered the actions. I mean its nice to hang some scape goats out to dry, but it certainly isnt justice.
    100% Agreed!
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    Re: 7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If no U.S. laws were broken or treaties violated the probe will exonerate them. If not, they broke the law & should be penalized.
    I'm as patriotic as the next guy but don't buy into "My Country Right Or Wrong."
    We are Americans .....& that should stand for something.
    The point is that their actions were already investigated by the USAO, which declined to prosecute all but one. Using a different division of the DoJ to reopen the investigations years after these people were cleared raises several problems.
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    Re: 7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I started that post with a big "IF" & if they were ordered to the order givers will be punished too. No more blaming everything on Lindie English anymore.
    If crimes were committed, let AG Holder follow them..wherever they lead.
    Obama just has to step out of the way.
    The point is he will never follow were they lead, because the orders came from the top. Unless Obama wants to start a new and dangerous precedent no one in the old administration will be touched. What will happen is that covers will be blown, agents put through the media maginifying lens, and the moral destroyed in the agency, people who are the most important line of defence we have in the United states.


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    Re: 7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The point is that their actions were already investigated by the USAO, which declined to prosecute all but one. Using a different division of the DoJ to reopen the investigations years after these people were cleared raises several problems.
    Whatever "Investigation" that were done in the past were tainted by politics & cannot be trusted. Let a new ..non-partisan...special prosecutor run a REAL investigation this time. (I would even accept an honest guy like Brent Scocroft (sp)...Bush Sr.s guy)
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    Re: 7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    The point is he will never follow were they lead, because the orders came from the top.
    We all know they came from the top, but some investigations do go all the way......Like Watergate....forced a sitting President to resign.

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Unless Obama wants to start a new and dangerous precedent no one in the old administration will be touched.
    I disagree. I think the real danger would be to overlook crimes that were committed so the next president will feel invulnerable like Bush did.
    No one is above the law & Presidents are not Kings.

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    What will happen is that covers will be blown, agents put through the media maginifying lens, and the moral destroyed in the agency, people who are the most important line of defence we have in the United states.
    Already happened under Bush....Valerie Plame was outed. We survived that too.
    Last edited by Devil505; 09-19-09 at 12:12 AM.

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