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    RIP: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    Irving Kristol, 1920-2009

    Irving Kristol, writer, editor, and social philosopher, has died in Washington at the age of 89. His wisdom, wit, good humor, and generosity of spirit made him a friend and mentor to several generations of thinkers and public servants.
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    Re: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    I didn't realize that conservatives needed a "new conservative", did anyone check with the originals?

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    Re: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    While I am still awaiting an article from at least Fox News (where I personally first heard the news), did I break protocol with The Weekly Standard?
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    Re: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    You definitely better put RIP in that thread title!


    RIP Mr. Kristol ....

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    Re: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    I suppose it is to avoid heated arguments?

    Personally, I could deal with it, but good suggestion!

    I suppose I would be among one of the few here who doesn't view these guys with some level of distaste, so I see your point.
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    Re: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    Personally, I first found Irving Kristol while I was in my last years of high school. Back then the Iraq war was about ready to happen, and conversation was lively both for and against the war. At that time I had not read his essay for his son's (Bill Kristol) journal The Weekly Standard where he declared that he was wrong in declaring Neoconservatism a dead success. I was exposed to him by someone expressing the support of the ideology, and I was mostly curious about it. I wanted to know just what was with this seemingly small group of people and why so much controversy surrounded them (including the 9/11 conspiracy theory involving them). Eventually I got around to reading his essays, and even though there were several moments where I just could not agree with him no matter how hard I tried, reading each additional essay was a treat, a delight at any hour, including in the middle of a sleepless night.

    The man was a clever writer with a capacity of great wit and humor. He could not begin to address a (at the time of the essay) contemporary political, economic, theological, or social issue without first digging back far into the past and working his way forward. Even if when you pull back a bit and find his essays regarding the intellectual class of America or Europe as too self-congratulatory, you could not help but almost join him in the celebration of the pursuit of ideas and their power.

    To me, it is difficult to find writers that can pull you in to the pursuit of knowledge with such finesse like Irving Kristol. There are certainly still some souls out there who can make the written word as beautiful, inspiring, and as intelligent as they should be, but it seems as though we lost another wonderful contributor to political discourse, even if some of it was quite polemical.
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    Re: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    Here's something a little more traditional for the link.

    Irving Kristol, Architect of Neoconservatism, Dies at 89 - washingtonpost.com
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    Re: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    From the transcript of The Power of Nightmares.

    It describes the conditions which led to the creation of the neoconservatives and quotes Irving Kristol.

    [ TITLE: 11pm, JULY 25th 1967 ]

    PRESIDENT LYNDON B. JOHNSON: Law and order have broken down in Detroit, Michigan. Pillage, looting, murder…

    VO: Only a few years before, President Johnson had promised policies that would create a new and a better world in America. He had called it “the Great Society.”

    [ TITLE: President LYNDON JOHNSON, 1964 ]

    JOHNSON: The Great Society is in place where every child can find knowledge to enrich his mind. It is a place where the City of Man…

    VO: But now, in the wake of some of the worst riots ever seen in America, that dream seemed to have ended in violence and hatred. One prominent liberal journalist called Irving Kristol began to question whether it might actually be the policies themselves that were causing social breakdown.

    IRVING KRISTOL: If you had asked any liberal in 1960, we are going to pass these laws, these laws, these laws, and these laws, mentioning all the laws that in fact were passed in the 1960s and ‘70s, would you say crime will go up, drug addiction will go up, illegitimacy will go up, or will they get down? Obviously, everyone would have said, they will get down. And everyone would have been wrong. Now, that’s not something that the liberals have been able to face up to. They’ve had their reforms, and they have led to consequences that they did not expect and they don’t know what to do about.

    VO: In the early ‘70s, Irving Kristol became the focus of a group of disaffected intellectuals in Washington. They were determined to understand why the optimistic liberal policies had failed. And they found the answer in the theories of Leo Strauss. Strauss explained that it was the very basis of the liberal idea—the belief in individual freedom—that was causing the chaos, because it undermined the shared moral framework that held society together. Individuals pursued their own selfish interests, and this inevitably led to conflict. As the movement grew, many young students who had studied Strauss’ ideas came to Washington to join this group. Some, like Paul Wolfowitz, had been taught Strauss’ ideas at the University of Chicago, as had Francis Fukuyama. And others, like Irving Kristol’s son William, had studied Strauss’ theories at Harvard. This group became known as the neoconservatives.
    Transcript - The Power of Nightmares - Part 1


    R.I.P. Mr. Kristol.
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    Re: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    You can bet the devil's lubin' up tonight. Gonna be a party and a half on someone's ass!
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    Re: RIP: Irving Kristol (89) "Godfather of Neoconservatism" Passes Away

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So what? The libs can celebrate if they like, I don't care.
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