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Must-know figures could change for Texas students

Yes, this is true. Would be an interesting topic for a more in depth thread. The problem of course is that it is hard to enforce, and hard to force kids to take an interest in things other than the opposite sex.

It's not really worth the effort to teach them it, most don't remember after they graduate anyway.
 
Well, let me back track, I wasn't talking specifically about Texas. I was talking about American schools in general.

The Texas part is important for this. Texas is one of the largest markets for school books, so textbook writers design textbooks for the nation based on the guidelines they get from Texas. That is why this is such a large deal.
 
Preachin' to the choir, brother. You're preachin' to the choir.

Just doing my part, my friend, and we can always hope someone will hear our words, and come to our church of ideas, and then be happy there.;)
 
Yes, this is true. Would be an interesting topic for a more in depth thread. The problem of course is that it is hard to enforce, and hard to force kids to take an interest in things other than the opposite sex.

If we would stop coddling them from kindergarten and start holding them responsible for their behavior and successes and failures, I don't see where it would be much of a problem.

But the issue isn't just the kids...it's systemic. Unions keep unqualified and apathetic teachers in schools teaching kids that only come to school to be baby sat because parents are unqualified to be parents and apathetic toward their kids' educations and administrators who are apathetic to anything but getting funding for their districts. And school boards like the ones in Texas that are apathetic to anything but raising their political profiles. And so kids get passed on from grade to grade without being equipped for the next one and next thing you know, you've got a full on dumbass walking across the stage in a cap and gown without sense enough to manage a checkbook or write a letter properly.

It's really sad.
 
If we would stop coddling them from kindergarten and start holding them responsible for their behavior and successes and failures, I don't see where it would be much of a problem.

But the issue isn't just the kids...it's systemic. Unions keep unqualified and apathetic teachers in schools teaching kids that only come to school to be baby sat because parents are unqualified to be parents and apathetic toward their kids' educations and administrators who are apathetic to anything but getting funding for their districts. And school boards like the ones in Texas that are apathetic to anything but raising their political profiles. And so kids get passed on from grade to grade without being equipped for the next one and next thing you know, you've got a full on dumbass walking across the stage in a cap and gown without sense enough to manage a checkbook or write a letter properly.

It's really sad.

Well said, I think you and I are going to be fast friends!;)
 
If we would stop coddling them from kindergarten and start holding them responsible for their behavior and successes and failures, I don't see where it would be much of a problem.


Part of the problem with this is that teenagers are not rational. Raging hormones and ignorance are not a good combination, and kids that age are going to make stupid mistakes. I think at that age, it's important to work to turn their mistakes into successes.
 
Yes, this is true. Would be an interesting topic for a more in depth thread. The problem of course is that it is hard to enforce, and hard to force kids to take an interest in things other than the opposite sex.
Related to that, I hear single-sex private schools are making a comeback. I've heard good things about that, too.
 
Part of the problem with this is that teenagers are not rational. Raging hormones and ignorance are not a good combination, and kids that age are going to make stupid mistakes. I think at that age, it's important to work to turn their mistakes into successes.

And this changes in adulthood....how exactly?

"From the mouth of babes'....that is what I always return to.
 
The Texas part is important for this. Texas is one of the largest markets for school books, so textbook writers design textbooks for the nation based on the guidelines they get from Texas. That is why this is such a large deal.

But, ultimately, there's not just one history textbook on the market and it's up to each state/school district/school board to choose a textbook for their schools.
 
Part of the problem with this is that teenagers are not rational. Raging hormones and ignorance are not a good combination, and kids that age are going to make stupid mistakes. I think at that age, it's important to work to turn their mistakes into successes.

They can make any mistake they want as long as they don't do it between the hours of 7AM and 3:30PM Monday through Friday. :shrug:

I don't see the hormone factor really having an impact on them knowing how to write in proper English, do a matrix problem, or knowing their periodic table.

The hormone factor isn't in play when you tell them they need to know how many moles of Sodium is in 16 grams of salt before they can graduate to the next grade.

I think this whole "oh their only teenagers, they're too hormonal" line is exactly what has made teenagers the worthless sots that they are today.
 
Related to that, I hear single-sex private schools are making a comeback. I've heard good things about that, too.

Heh, what I wouldn't have given to go to an all boys school. :mrgreen:
 
Part of the problem with this is that teenagers are not rational. Raging hormones and ignorance are not a good combination, and kids that age are going to make stupid mistakes. I think at that age, it's important to work to turn their mistakes into successes.

I think you can attribute the irrational kid problem to the schools themselves.

People used to begin their working careers at very early ages compared to now and if they were as irresponsible then as they are now they probably wouldn't have been employable at that time.

So maybe we school them too much.
 
If we would stop coddling them from kindergarten and start holding them responsible for their behavior and successes and failures, I don't see where it would be much of a problem.

But the issue isn't just the kids...it's systemic. Unions keep unqualified and apathetic teachers in schools teaching kids that only come to school to be baby sat because parents are unqualified to be parents and apathetic toward their kids' educations and administrators who are apathetic to anything but getting funding for their districts. And school boards like the ones in Texas that are apathetic to anything but raising their political profiles. And so kids get passed on from grade to grade without being equipped for the next one and next thing you know, you've got a full on dumbass walking across the stage in a cap and gown without sense enough to manage a checkbook or write a letter properly.

It's really sad.

Even worse, you've got several million full on dumbasses basing their vote for President off of how he makes them feel instead of an educated, well thought out and researched opinion of that candidate's policies and history.
 
School kids need to get their asses beat more often. That's a big part of the problem.
 
Even worse, you've got several million full on dumbasses basing their vote for President off of how he makes them feel instead of an educated, well thought out and researched opinion of that candidate's policies and history.

Exactly. Any jackhole with a silver tongue appears smart when the depth of your education leaves you not knowing the difference between a constitutional republic and a direct democracy.:doh
 
Heh, what I wouldn't have given to go to an all boys school. :mrgreen:

HAH! I knew you would not be able to resist commenting on that!
 
Even worse, you've got several million full on dumbasses basing their vote for President off of how he makes them feel instead of an educated, well thought out and researched opinion of that candidate's policies and history.

And even worse than that is people who feel the need to parrot the same talking point time and again, just to try and get under people's skins. Those people are the ones who make this country worse by their very existence.
 
And even worse than that is people who feel the need to parrot the same talking point time and again....

Change hope change hope change change change hope YES WE CAN!!!!
 
I worry for this country when deciding who should be in history and social study books becomes a partisan issue.

It is in many countries and partly always has been. At least in this instance it isn't being decided by leftists intent on dressing a "black-armband" view of history as proper history.

You should look into the "History wars" in Australia, they show a concerted action by the left to turn history into their plaything, making Australian history and their British heritage little more than one big disgrace because they didn't live up to New left ideals. It took the forceful personality of John Howard to put something of a balance back.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_wars[/ame]
 
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