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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    they probably think that teaching that the world is round and not flat is a compromise to liberals.
    Liberal republicans probably do believe that, yes.

    But liberal republicans should be silenced forever.

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

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    Only liberals try to revise history.
    That's what I just said.
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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would rather teach them the historical facts; ones that actually exist, not the ones that revisionist Libbo historians have chosen.
    I agree on historical facts and the rest is just more partisan bs from you.

    As I see this, this should have nothing to do with partisan issues but have everything to do with facts. And sadly something as simple as make a standardized "must know" list has turned into yet another bitch fight of partisan politics in the US. And yes both sides are at fault, and yes both sides should be ashamed of themselves. Children should be allowed to learn what they wish to learn and form their own opinions, and no government, council, church, priest, or even parents should force anything on children when it comes to opinions.

    Of course Newt should be on the list as should other "conservatives" that have had an impact on life in the US... this Schlafly woman.. not so much as far as I can read myself to her history. She sounds like another blow-heart talking head conservative stuck in the cold war and the dark ages. Surely the "right" could find more important conservative figures than this woman.
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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I agree on historical facts and the rest is just more partisan bs from you.

    As I see this, this should have nothing to do with partisan issues but have everything to do with facts. And sadly something as simple as make a standardized "must know" list has turned into yet another bitch fight of partisan politics in the US. And yes both sides are at fault, and yes both sides should be ashamed of themselves. Children should be allowed to learn what they wish to learn and form their own opinions, and no government, council, church, priest, or even parents should force anything on children when it comes to opinions.

    Of course Newt should be on the list as should other "conservatives" that have had an impact on life in the US... this Schlafly woman.. not so much as far as I can read myself to her history. She sounds like another blow-heart talking head conservative stuck in the cold war and the dark ages. Surely the "right" could find more important conservative figures than this woman.
    It's not partisan BS from me. It's the attempt by Libbos to revise the history that is taught in our schools: the Civil War was fought to free the slaves, we lost Vietnam and Iraq is an illegal imperialistic war. I can just hear it now.
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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not partisan BS from me. It's the attempt by Libbos to revise the history that is taught in our schools: the Civil War was fought to free the slaves, we lost Vietnam and Iraq is an illegal imperialistic war. I can just hear it now.
    George Washington was a rich white slave owning traitor, and btw much less important won the the Revolutionary War and was the first President.
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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Children should be allowed to learn what they wish to learn and form their own opinions...
    why do we have schools then?

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    George Washington was a rich white slave owning traitor, and btw much less important won the the Revolutionary War and was the first President.
    He practically begged to command Colonial forces, too.
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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not partisan BS from me. It's the attempt by Libbos to revise the history that is taught in our schools: the Civil War was fought to free the slaves, we lost Vietnam and Iraq is an illegal imperialistic war. I can just hear it now.
    So the Civil war was not a war to free the slaves at least in part?

    And you did not loose the Vietnam war? I mean did Vietnam not fall into the communist sphere which was the whole reason the war started in the first place...?

    As for the last one.. never heard that from normal left wingers.. but hey.
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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    why do we have schools then?
    What do you mean? Schools are there to provide a uniformed and mass education system for children in such things as reading, writing and so on. When it comes to history, they should be taught the facts, not the facts according to political ideology.

    For example, apdst point it out..

    The civil war.. was in part due to free the slaves. Was there other things involved? Sure there was, but freeing the slaves was a big part too. Should all parts be taught? of course and I bet they are.. at least they were 20 years ago when I was using a US history book in my US school.

    What I am trying to say, is that children should be left alone to form their own opinions and views on things like historical facts, politics and religion and should not be force fed religious and partisan bs.
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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So the Civil war was not a war to free the slaves at least in part?
    Of course it wasn't fought to free the slaves, not even in part.

    And you did not loose the Vietnam war? I mean did Vietnam not fall into the communist sphere which was the whole reason the war started in the first place...?
    Listen closely: United States forces did not lose the fight against Communist forces in Vietnam. Learn it, know it, live it.

    As for the last one.. never heard that from normal left wingers.. but hey.
    Now, Pete! C'mon, dude. We all know you've heard it before.

    The civil war.. was in part due to free the slaves. Was there other things involved? Sure there was, but freeing the slaves was a big part too. Should all parts be taught? of course and I bet they are.. at least they were 20 years ago when I was using a US history book in my US school.
    If freeing the slaves was so important, why did Lincoln take over two years to issue the Emancimation Proclamation. Why was the Confederate government considering giving slaves their freedom in exchange for military service?
    Last edited by apdst; 09-18-09 at 01:01 PM.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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