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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Nah, I wouldn't have Newt in there unless you want to discuss the historical nature of the Contract with America or something.
    I think the Contract with America was important, even though I did not care for it. While I am far from a Newt fan, I think he was one of the most important nonpresident in politics of the last 20 years.

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Ya but the Progressive Movement and the New Deal actually CHANGED things, and thus were an important part of history. I think it's much more difficult to point to someone like Phyllis Schaffley and claim her as an important historical figure because she helped preserve the status quo.
    People/events that "defend the status quo" aren't essentially any more or less important in history than other events...context is what matters, and that requires an understanding of many different perspectives.

    In general, I have always been disgusted with the way history is taught in schools. Very rarely do the teachers actually instill an understanding of context. Too often it is taught as a concrete and/or isolated series of cause and effect that really ignore many other factors altogether.
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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    People/events that "defend the status quo" aren't essentially any more or less important in history than other events...context is what matters, and that requires an understanding of many different perspectives.

    In general, I have always been disgusted with the way history is taught in schools. Very rarely do the teachers actually instill an understanding of context. Too often it is taught as a concrete and/or isolated series of cause and effect that really ignore many other factors altogether.
    During Elementary/High School, there simply is not time to get too far in depth on many subjects. Just in US History, you have close to 300 years to cover in one hour a day chunks.

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    During Elementary/High School, there simply is not time to get too far in depth on many subjects. Just in US History, you have close to 300 years to cover in one hour a day chunks.
    Most of the education should happen at home.

    When I gradute and become a teacher, I will base my approach on home reading and research and lively debate, role playing, and speeches during class. If Kids show that they are reading and researching I will lay of the tests.


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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    During Elementary/High School, there simply is not time to get too far in depth on many subjects. Just in US History, you have close to 300 years to cover in one hour a day chunks.
    Very true. But why try to cram it all in under a single, very often incorrect and incomplete, context as if it is all undisputed fact? I think this is the problem.

    With the time they do have, they could do a much better job, focusing on fundamentals. I'm sure SOL requirements don't help with the limited time teachers have either.

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I worry for this country when deciding who should be in history and social study books becomes a partisan issue.
    Yeah, me too.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Most of the education should happen at home.

    When I gradute and become a teacher, I will base my approach on home reading and research and lively debate, role playing, and speeches during class. If Kids show that they are reading and researching I will lay of the tests.
    Oh yeah, the best teachers I had in history had extensive lists of books to read on subjects to get the context we could not get into in class. If I ever had the chance to go back to college, History is one of the two subjects I would be interested in studying.

    The problem of course is that not many students actually do that kind of reading, which is too bad. Those without a real interest will always do the minimum necessary to get by.

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, me too.
    You sir, are not supposed to agree with me...

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You sir, are not supposed to agree with me...
    Sorry! Just can't help it this time...

    There's just no room in a secondary school history classes for people. There's only room for events.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Must-know figures could change for Texas students

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That article speaks the truth.
    You need to take a political science class.

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