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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Based on what confirmation?
    Depends on the source but anywhere from 40 to 200. Wiki lists different numbers. Multiple sites list different things. But The IAEA's Director General in 2004 stated in an interview that Isreal is a nation that possesses nuclear arms. Not one that is developing them but actually possesses them.

    Transcript: Director General's Al-Ahram Interview - 27 July 2004

    Israel refuses to comply with non-proliferation and does not allow inspectors into their country.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Depends on the source but anywhere from 40 to 200. Wiki lists different numbers. Multiple sites list different things. But The IAEA's Director General in 2004 stated in an interview that Isreal is a nation that possesses nuclear arms. Not one that is developing them but actually possesses them.

    Transcript: Director General's Al-Ahram Interview - 27 July 2004

    Israel refuses to comply with non-proliferation and does not allow inspectors into their country.

    OK. So this is good enough for you re: Israel, but Iran developing weapons rates a "maybe"?

    I think I've made my point.
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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Ah. And what did I say you'd say?



    Wow.

    And what how did you respond to that?





    That was just TOO easy.

    I don't know exactly what you're laughing about. Without any evidence you can't really give a definitive yes or no. Unless you make conclusions based on your own thoughts and not necessarily the evidence.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK. So this is good enough for you re: Israel, but Iran developing weapons rates a "maybe"?

    I think I've made my point.
    No you haven't. Come now even you can admit there's a difference between stating a nation possesses actual nuclear weapons and saying a nation has the information but can't confirm if they're actively building and have delivery capabilities.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I don't know exactly what you're laughing about.


    That you gave the answer I said you'd give, AFTER telling me that I should not try giessing other people's answers, and AFTER you tried to dodge the question in its entirety?


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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    No you haven't. Come now even you can admit there's a difference between stating a nation possesses actual nuclear weapons and saying a nation has the information but can't confirm if they're actively building and have delivery capabilities.
    Except for the fact that two presidents and the UN find the evidence damning enough to proscribe sanctions.
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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    No you haven't. Come now even you can admit there's a difference between stating a nation possesses actual nuclear weapons and saying a nation has the information but can't confirm if they're actively building and have delivery capabilities.
    And in your link, there's no definitive confirmation that Israel has nukes, either.

    For the record, I think Israel has nukes. But I also think any idiot can see Iran is working on a bomb, and if you're willing to make conclusions about Israel yet stay conveniently agnostic about Iran, then it's not about the truth for you.
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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And in your link, there's no definitive confirmation that Israel has nukes, either.

    For the record, I think Israel has nukes. But I also think any idiot can see Iran is working on a bomb, and if you're willing to make conclusions about Israel yet stay conveniently agnostic about Iran, then it's not about the truth for you.
    As you said -- he'd rather make a partisan point.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    He does so on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland


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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    In any event...

    Any question regarding Iran's CURRENT capabilities proceed from a false premise -- that a threat must actually exist before the defense for tha threat can be developed and/or deployed.

    Given the damage potential of the weapons in question, prudence demands that you stay ahead of the capabilities of your foe. Waiting to install a defense until -after- he has the capability to deliver a nuke it may very well be too late, and may very well incent him to use that nuke while he still can.
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