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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Iran isn't even close to building a missile capable of hitting us. Furthermore, hitting ICBM's is not within the specs for our current system, so it wouldn't work even if they did.
    Exactly the weapons defense systems we have mainly can tell us when something has been launched. Its an early warning system but we have never developed the ability to shoot down nukes. Star Wars never worked.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Good god what a bad misconception. Nuclear Power Plants do not create weapons grade material. The International Atomic Energy Agency in multiple reports have stated that Iran does not have the proper material to create weapons grade uranium. They don't have ICBMs that are capable of even reaching our soil. And enough fearmongering about mushroom clouds Condeleeza you already played that trick once with Iraq.
    I think it was more being said that once they start that then the transition is a whole lot closer

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by 75Greeno View Post
    I think it was more being said that once they start that then the transition is a whole lot closer
    We have estimated several times they're at least 15-20 years off. The president of Iran no matter how crazy he is you have to realize he doesn't have the power in Iran he can claim all the crazy stuff he wants but he's no threat to the US

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Because Europes problems have always become ours: WW1 and 2, Bosnia, Kosovo, Serbia.
    Excepting WW2, we made all of those our problems.


    Apprently BOTH presidents disagree with you. Are they BOTH lying? It was easy for people to claim Bush was a liar but when Obama repeats what Bush says people are dumbstruck.
    They are both wrong. Iran has no motive to attack anyone in Europe, except possibly England for historical reasons. Iran would first focus on Israel, or upon us. Most European countries haven't had any interaction with Iran in the first place.

    Apathy is often more expensive. The saying applies; laziness pays off now but hardwork pays off with dividends later.
    Except we are wasting money on building a system that brings no dividends at all.

    russians seem pleased at the moment. We'll have to see if they release a press report. Russians like the fact that Obama has moved it away from the eastern bloc nations Bush was planning it for.
    Remember how they responded to Bush's plan? While I suppose they could respond differently, why would they change their mind?

    its called "missile defense" and it works.
    In Gulf War 1, our system failed rather badly. While modern systems have been improved, treating them with healthy skepticism is a good idea. In either case, spending more money to increase the success rate or expand the sort of missiles it can engage is a better investment.

    What system would that be? Both Bush and Obama are confident that Iran is developing nuclear energy as a means by which to easily produce nuclear weapons if they ever choose to. Coupled with their ever increasing ballistic missile capabilties, Iran is the greatest threat and may even trigger an arms race in the ME as Saudis, Iraq, and others struggle to keep pace.
    Building a missile shield in Europe isn't going to do anything with regards to a local ME arms race.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    We have estimated several times they're at least 15-20 years off. The president of Iran no matter how crazy he is you have to realize he doesn't have the power in Iran he can claim all the crazy stuff he wants but he's no threat to the US
    they may not have the tech but they have people that are learning to work with nuclear materil and it will be way easer for them to work with some thing nuclear that they buy from china russia or north korea

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by 75Greeno View Post
    they may not have the tech but they have people that are learning to work with nuclear materil and it will be way easer for them to work with some thing nuclear that they buy from china russia or north korea
    Now you're just reaching. For that same reason we should concentrate on africa as well. They can buy nukes from china and russia

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Good god what a bad misconception. Nuclear Power Plants do not create weapons grade material. The International Atomic Energy Agency in multiple reports have stated that Iran does not have the proper material to create weapons grade uranium. They don't have ICBMs that are capable of even reaching our soil. And enough fearmongering about mushroom clouds Condeleeza you already played that trick once with Iraq.
    The Associated Press: AP NewsBreak: Nuke agency says Iran can make bomb

    AP NewsBreak: Nuke agency says Iran can make bomb

    (AP) 1 hour ago

    VIENNA Experts at the world's top atomic watchdog are in agreement that Tehran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb and is on the way to developing a missile system able to carry an atomic warhead, according to a secret report seen by The Associated Press.

    The document drafted by senior officials at the International Atomic Energy Agency is the clearest indication yet that the agency's leaders share Washington's views on Iran's weapon-making capabilities.

    ...............
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Now you're just reaching. For that same reason we should concentrate on africa as well. They can buy nukes from china and russia
    I wouldnt call that a reach just a logical conection

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Information and material being two different things. They may have the information but thus far we haven't seen anything to show that they have been successful in making weapons grade fission material

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by 75Greeno View Post
    I wouldnt call that a reach just a logical conection
    Well then we should waste money building missile shields everywhere as any country can buy nukes from russia and china

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