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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I remember watching Bush on TV saying he would share the missile defense with the Russians. Not even that pleased our leftist friends.
    Yes, yes he did.
    Conveniently forgotton by most.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    why was putin so determined to have the shield dismantled?

    what about iran's ties to terrorist groups like hezbollah?

    why are the czechs, poles, ukrainians and georgians so outraged?

    what did obama gain from his grand giveaway?

    what about the deterrent element of a DEFENSE in the region?

    as opposed to downright defenselessness?

    what about the symbolic meaning of our pulling out to the eastern bloc nations?

    what about the symbolic timing of the announcement on the 70th anniversary?

    the presence of an american missile shield in the region is a STRATEGIC GAME CHANGER

    another huge blunder by obtuse obama, another political pratfall, another hurtful headline

    the prez is comprehensively perceived as putin's puppy

    does he really believe the russian ruler, virtuoso of realpolitik, is gonna play with us pertaining to persia (iran)?

    the president's policy to deal with international terrorism can only be described as OSTRICH, head buried, hoping for the best

    he simply does not have a CLUE what he's doing

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Putin doesn't give a **** about the missile shield per se, what he's concerned about is the US troops that would have accompanied it. That's what Poland/CZK have been really angling for throughout this process - security.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The European ABM system -is- intended to defend from radical Islam, and is -not- intended to defend from the Russians.
    Have you seen the weapons that Radical Islam uses? It ain't ICBMs or medium to short range missiles.

    Did you forget what happened on the morning of September 11th?

    A missile shield is a giant waste of money if you're trying to defend us from Radical Islam. It would be far cheaper and easier for them to simply buy a container, line it with lead and put a nuke it in with a timer to go off in a harbor of a major US city. Explain to me how a missile defense system stops that.
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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I remember watching Bush on TV saying he would share the missile defense with the Russians.
    And then rejected Russia's proposal to joint share a key radar station that would have nicely covered the alleged threat: Iran.

    Not even that pleased our leftist friends.
    Well, maybe you consider words to mean more then actions. But He SAID this! Never mind he did the opposite, he SAID that!
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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Putin doesn't give a **** about the missile shield per se
    At the moment. No. Russia doesn't give a **** about the current system. What they fear is what the system will eventually become. Same goes for China.
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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And in your link, there's no definitive confirmation that Israel has nukes, either.

    For the record, I think Israel has nukes. But I also think any idiot can see Iran is working on a bomb, and if you're willing to make conclusions about Israel yet stay conveniently agnostic about Iran, then it's not about the truth for you.
    In the link the Director General stated he believes they possess nukes. Most US sources estimate Israel has at least 40 nukes. Now there's a difference between many sources stating that israel has nukes and them saying Iran has information but does not know if they can build them. I know you can tell the difference between the two

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post


    That you gave the answer I said you'd give, AFTER telling me that I should not try giessing other people's answers, and AFTER you tried to dodge the question in its entirety?

    Well not everyone can straight out say something without having evidence like you can goobie

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As you said -- he'd rather make a partisan point.
    There's nothing partisan about what I said. The director general believes that Israel possesses nukes. Different sources say Israel possesses nukes. Not one source says Iran possesses actual nukes

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    Re: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    He's an idiot with more czars than Russian history or any other president. The Dems have hated this program from the start, because it destroyed their beloved USSR, and can't wait to spend the money on more welfare votes.
    This has to be one of the most ridiculous lines ever the previous president had 46 czars in 36 czar roles. Many of the "Czar" positions were created long before Obama's presidency. He hasn't really added that many new positions so its ridiculous to carry on this "more czars" than russia line

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